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This is in reference to “Bhutan’s On-line Kuensel” reporting on“Population Control 16 July, 2011-Should Bhutanese couples be encouraged to have only two children?”

Under the heading “Will two do?” is a question of serious concern for the people of Bhutan in order to find a greater aspect of “Happiness”, which Bhutan claims to have helped gain the pride of being able to garner support from 68 member countries, making it a historic achievement for Bhutan. The Prime Minister rightly gave the credit to the fourth King as initiator of promoting “Gross National Happiness”, which at present is, minus two wings – “Gross” and “National”.

Worries about the possible and obvious explosion of population sends a message to the country to seriously contemplate, whether we would be able to provide all the infrastructure like, water supply, sanitation facilities, sewerage systems, and so on including employment to the growing number of people in the cities that are the potential targets of migration from villages as well as accommodating foreign workers in different trades at the same time.

When we discuss about the worries of population explosion, should we not also try to ponder upon, how the processes of increase of population reached to the present extent, which is illusive, uncertain and of no transparency. We need to understand the following aspects of the history of demography for the purpose of educating the future generations, creating adequate awareness on the topic and possibilities of any degree of misinterpretations.

www.mongabay.com mentions “When Bhutan’s first national census was conducted in 1969, the population officially stood at 930,614 persons. Before 1969 population estimates had ranged between 300,000 and 800,000 people. The 1969 census has been criticized as inaccurate. By the time the 1980 census was held, the population reportedly had increased to approximately 1,165,000 persons. The results of the 1988 census had not been released as of 1991, but preliminary government projections in 1988 set the total population at 1,375,400 persons, whereas UN estimates stood at 1,451,000 people in 1988. Other foreign projections put the population at 1,598,216 persons in July 1991. It is likely, however, that Bhutan’s real population was less than 1 million and probably as little as 600,000 in 1990. Moreover, the government itself began to use the figure of “about 600,000 citizens” in late 1990”.

In the present context, Bhutan officially maintains at 700,000.  It is ridiculous to see several vast variations without having given any satisfactory justifications about the aspects of phenomenal differences. As rightly mentioned in italics, an in depth studies, “have to be conducted before coming to any conclusions”.

When the government worries and talks about the overall population explosion, it becomes a must to review the comparative population growth from racial and ethnic point of view as well.

Population control policy was adopted during the reign of the fourth monarch. Family planning campaign was implemented in the rural districts through scientific methods that covered several ethnic and racial groups including those minorities in the common society. On the other hand, at the esteemed level, our fourth king solemnized to four queens and surprised the nation with eight siblings (now 10 – 5 daughters and 5 sons) on the day of official nuptial in 1988. Had the four queens been from different parents of common families, the nation would have witnessed different impact politically, socially and economically. Perhaps, loss of confidence in Sangye Ngedup Dorji’s leadership during the 2008 first ever election at the beginning of the so-called democracy apparently could be credited to lusty characteristics of the queen families that had deprived many common families’ right to peaceful life.

It very so often worries to fathom how Bhutanese aborigines were taken into servitude using various means of preaching of different doctrines beginning from the era of the advent of bon masters like Lhase Tsangma dating back to ninth century AD; conflict of Kagyupa and Nyingmapa masters from the north in the twelfth century AD and so on and so forth.

The locals were either enslaved into respective ideologies of doctrine preachers while landed properties were taken into their ownership as chhos zhing – land-offering to those institutes.  That was how the categorical classes of races like Chhos-rje (Lord of Dharma) and Dung Gyud (Descendants) emerged with feudal powers that emerged as noble clans and initially assumed as valley chieftains.

They slowly expanded their family weaving through inter marriages with the families of equivalent classes. It is perceived that their family expansion outreached all directions of the country thereby bringing about a strong network of alliances gradually becoming the families that ruled the minor weak communities in the respective valleys. The commons, who were mostly locals and aborigines, were left with no other options than to remain subservient to those noble families. Those so-called noble families either belonged to spiritual families having their root to Lord of Dharma or to the Descendants of the rulers, who had achieved their valorous victories for their feudal power. The common people thus became workers, who ultimately sustained by paying coerced taxes levied on land, cattle, horses and handicrafts.

As much as the government talks about the worries of population increase in three to four decades from now in terms of “enormous strain on the country’s socio-economic development, natural resources and environment”, that “could lead to a lowering of living standards”.

In the present situation, the growing population is facing the serious crunch of living standard competitiveness particularly in the urban centers. Commoners and rural youths look at the living standards set forth by the upper societies, who belong to closer relationships to palace families and those economically stronger families.

I will further try to draw the attention of the readers to the aspects of history that seem to have brought about marginalization of various communities thereby weakening status of the socio economic standard of the population against the limited income for sustenance given discriminatory ownerships in land holdings and other potentially viable income generating enterprises besides prevalence of inequality in the educational and employment opportunities.

When the government talks about the strategies to deal with population control or keep on worrying about the population explosion, it seems that the policy would be applied to middle and lower class society, thereby giving impacts only to the common people.  It is cognizant that implementation of the population policy could have serious impact of bringing about natural drive towards extinction of the aborigines, who are mostly in the common society broadly and commonly called the down looked name; Mi-Nap (Black People).

Racial extinction through family planning could bring about increase in the land occupation in the lower society thereby creating tsa-tong. Past experiences show demonstration of modern method of family planning rampantly applied in the far flung villages through incentives that sometimes attract economically weaker families.

Government has since centuries been rampant towards finding tsa-tong (lands previously occupied and fallen vacant over the years) and registration of such vacant lands quickly into the thram (land record) of elites or the palace. The glaring example is the occupation of southern lands without resolving the political crisis that left over one hundred thousand of our population into becoming refugees and ultimately fading into diaspora.  Our people should refer back to old chhagzhag thram (Government Land Record) of those before 60s, which gives enough evidences of how the land ownerships were made available prior to modern technology of land survey that paved ways into new entries in the land record books under the vision of “Land Reforms” initiated by the 3rd monarch.  The new set of laws pertaining to land registration and ownerships, thus, invited to conducting two different types of land surveys (topography and cadastral). However, the outcome of the land survey that brought about much impact and commotion in the general public finally got shelved for the reasons best known to the government.  The policy diverted gradually towards resettling those so-called landless people in the vacant lands earlier occupied under legal ownership of the Bhutanese refugees, who are labeled as “illegal migrants” and currently getting faded into different developed countries under the resettlement scheme.

When we discuss further on the issues concerning population and national demography, it gives me the courage to speak about the digital citizenship I/Cards issued to the Bhutanese citizens.  Given the small manageable size of the Bhutanese population, it is not a difficult task to conduct the census and manage data updates on the growth of country’s population. However, the digital I/Cards having made renewable after every ten years indicates uncertainty to confidently call oneself a Bhutanese citizen as the rein of citizenship is held in the hands of the government irrespective of whether one has landholding or a permanent (which is actually never secured to call it permanent) job.  On the other hand, it is an undeniable reality that the Bhutanese industries, trade and commerce and those in the overall actors contributing to the growth of national economy have since long been facing unlimited problems in terms of mobilizing labor thereby requiring to import from the neighboring states of India or even Bangladesh. While India is an advantageous neighbor for Bhutanese industrial growths, taking into consideration the political impacts given color, structure and behavioral characteristics of much more potential neighboring states, much of the restrictions were imposed by the government as a measure to prevent influx of illegal migrants. Thereby, recruitment of workers from non-identical pockets of India often has made it difficult for the Bhutanese industrialists to overcome their labor constraints making Bhutanese products highly unviable to compete in the cross border markets.    Probably, if the government’s population draft that is expected to be published in October this year could bring about a promising projection of population growth in another few decades, the long awaited problems of unemployment and other increased population crisis could be managed to some extent giving a boost to the industrial growth.

The GNH researchers in Bhutan like Kunzang Lhamu should collaborate with the population experts like Tashi Dorji and work sincerely by ensuring transparency and accountability towards bringing about happiness either through universally acceptable control of population or by working towards developing strategies to bring about adequate facilities to help support the anticipated population that is expected to double in another four or five decades.  Such an unbiased effort could be a great achievement for the future generation of our country.

Quoting Kunzang Lhamu’s words, “We can’t have a big explosion of population,” and “The key objectives of the national population policy is to improve the overall quality of the population, to meet the country’s vision, and holistic economic advancement in a sustainable manner,” but should not aim at developing palace and elite groups only by giving negligible attention to the aspirations of the common people as has been in traditional practice until this day.

In substitute to the implementation of scientifically controlling the population, which at times brings side effects to health; would it not be more practical to invest in educating the mass about the after effects of population explosion. It is possible that the population expert and GNH researcher could take this point into consideration in the long term interest of our country that preaches non-violence and follows the philosophy of reincarnations and rebirths.

Discussing about the imbalanced policy implementation that resulted in an unyielding wound in the national political wellbeing, it is worth suggesting that the population policy should take into consideration the undecided decision of the unresolved humanitarian crisis.  The incident that ultimately uprooted over one hundred thousand southern population in 1990, not counting out, several of them taken into political imprisonment under various terms.  It was followed by another political unrest in the east Bhutan in 1997 that pushed over 131 people into detention and incarcerated as many as 31 of the democracy aspiring people under different terms of imprisonment. Atrocities on Lhotshampa that included killings, rapes, torture, assault and several degrees of inhumane action are recorded down with blood in the annals of their struggle of resentment towards the policy leaving an irreparable nostalgic damage.  The ever harmoniously existing Lhotshampa community without any hesitation points at northern population as Drukpas while they believe themselves as Bhutanese.

In reality both Drukpa and Bhutanese carry the same notion of being a Bhutanese in the local term as the country is called with names like – Bhutan, Druk, Lho-Mon and so on like India is called Hindustan as well as Bharat in their local terms.  The aftermath of the eastern Bhutan up rise resulted in the killing of a monk in cold blood and inhumane torture of a highly learned priest of one of the Nyingmapa institutions although Bhutan chants to preach the dual system of Kagyupa and Nyingmapa of the two main institutions of Mahayana Buddhism. In the overall interest of Bhutan’s peace, prosperity and happiness, inclusion of diversity in terms of ethnicity, race, culture, religion and language is of utmost importance in the healthy existence of the nation that is squeezed in between two giant nuclear nations of leftist and rightist ideologies.

It is for sure that the proposed national population policy draft cannot be successful unless it is introduced within the framework of democratic norms and values thereby bringing about an inclusiveness and equality, free of discrimination and injustice to all section of the society as universally guaranteed by the provisions in the process of the growth of “Demo-Cracy or demo- kratein” as coined by the Greeks – probably the Athenians – from the Greek words demos, “the people” and kratein, “to rule”.  Aptly quoting Abraham Lincoln’s own words, “By the People, For the People and Of the People” to rule in the service of the people. Without ensuring civil supremacy in the policy making, the nation cannot progress, and to build a nation, it demands creative, inventive and vital activity, which is possible only in a true democracy.

Sooner the so-called democracy manifests into a real democracy, the better it will be for both the people and the palace, as the prosperity and happiness akin to the sun and the moon will be shone on the palace and the people of Bhutan alike.

Penjore is the President of the Druk National Congress (Democratic).

63 COMMENTS

  1. MR. DNC President,
    Your article has many facts, fugures, myths, advice, agenda behind demographic control to occupy land, racial segregation, complain, killings and politics of population control in Bhutan……all of which are very important topics that deserve a serious discussion in light of the onset of democracy and concept GNH in Bhutan. However, if I may suggest to break it down into different sub-topics and release in the media so that readers can grasp the gist of the message one at a time. I think very few people are reading this lengthy article and even less are receiving the poits you want to make. As a result, I am surprised why the people are not responding such an informative article with appropriate comments. Finally, I want to thank you for standing up and speaking out and wish you the very best towards making a positive contribution for your country and the people based on truth and justice.
    Dick Chhetri

  2. Dear Mr.Thinley jee,

    You have again stood up to speak against the ‘lies’ of RGOB. Thank you.

    I sure think, demographic studies have been purely lacking. It is this absence of proper studies that gives the regime a free hand in messing up with the figures, as it likes. We need researchers and sociologists who can study and put up well researched papers, and thus break the propaganda of the regime.

    Your article has taken the first step. Please keep up!

  3. Hello Dasho Thinley,
    Really inspiring write up. You are a true democratic leader of Bhutan. Whenever you write any article, I see you expressed clearly on refugee issue. That is a greatness of you being a leader. I am a big fan of yours. Slowly we need to work jointly at Global Level for true democratic changes in Bhutan and I assume you would take a lead role on it. Also, please do unite DNC (RK) and DNC (Democratic).

    a) It is a time now that Dasho Rongthong Kuenley and you work jointly for the betterment of all Bhutanese (both inside and exile).

    Deepak
    USA

  4. No doubt Bhutan always exaggrated the population figure and I doubt the mapping might have included the number of heads of lost territory in regards to friendship bondage. I prefer ‘bondage’ here for treaty which I think is bulkier at the lower gradient. The initiation of planned development used the population breakdown into the smaller blocks and how cleverly the data had been manipulated.
    The misinformation aimed for greater interest whether it was for the good of nation or that could be disasterous, it was forgery, a kind of cheat. Each head count is equivalent to some exchange value and more the numbers, the rate of return is proportionate.
    Other coverage in regards to duplication of the models without understanding the parity would be fatal like that of 90s. Preserving the constant population numbers in the evergrowing economy cannot sustain the nation. China realized the threats of dual child policy and timely rectified inorder to compete in the global economy. Bhutan must realize and consider the human value in regards to resource, not only as a commodity of the people at power irrespective of ethnicity in the nation building process. The approach to sketch a scheme carries positive message but we need to consider the feasibility curve in terms of population entity.

  5. Whether you like it or not, Bhutan will always have a strong immigration law to keep the illegal immigrants away. Your philosophical or logical interpretation (if that makes any sense) will not shake the foundation of Bhutan’s rigid stand on immigration because Bhutan know more than anyone the survival of a nation.

    Thinley penjore can utter anything to find a small seat within the refugee politics but it is not easy as he might time to time send people from the refugee camp to steal the jewels from the ancient stupas in the disguise of a monk.

  6. Lotus flower, a man without a jewel in the lotus of his heart should be a man sent by RGOB or just loyal to RGOB to dismantle the Truth and cover it up with the sins, no matter the karma and consequences of a buddhist deciple! What a sad buddhist!, trying to cover up the truth and propagate the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. Dear Leader,

    Your writing tells the part of the truth. It speaks the reality, just the reality.
    From an opposition leader like you, we expect heavier doses in writing. Let your writing evoke anger in your opponent and confidence in your supporter. Your articles should accelerate the flow of hot blood of your readers. You have the ability and you must do it.

    Waiting for more articles from you.

  8. Dear Lotus Flower,
    We belong to the same basket of apples from the same garden. Whatever you say, I would like to tell you that nobody decides their destiny. It is the destiny itself that decides one’s fate and ultimate destiny. We are only victims of those propellers, who fix price on every one’s head. I have been going through regular comments you have been passing on various articles published in this forum. Your comments have always been amateur. Obviously, you opened your eyes only recently and you have fallen victim to the spiritual charms of the Buddhist tantric practices. You don’t see evil actions at your back, but you enjoy listening to charming words from those people having self-vested interests. As far as I know, Dasho Thinley Penjore joined the movement for democracy on the behest of the circumstances created by influential powers. About your allegation of sending people “to steal the jewels from the ancient stupas in the disguise of a monk”, I suggest that you better check your tongue and talk sense before it is too late. Defending those feudal families who are enjoying the people’s property, you will too land up in an unfortunate situation, where there will be none to rescue you. I can foretell a destiny that awaits you which you have never dreamt in life, if your understanding of our country’s situation is in this manner. You are just using this name as a camouflage to remain under the veil and wag your tongue to your liking. It is pity of you to not see the discrimination and ill treatments done to your fellow citizens, when the world has acknowledged it. As the saying goes that an ant is clearly visible on others forehead however an elephant on your forehead goes unnoticed, because of your ignorance. It is also sad that you are unable to express openly and talking about all the nonsense. Be sincere and truthful rather than blabbering nonsense and sick ideas of yours without doing your homework.

    I really feel sorry for you.

  9. Dear All Bhutanese …..If you really love beautiful Druk youl(BHUTAN),why don’t you speak about the sovereignty and the border of Bhutan?
    .Do you know that? after 50 years there will be no more Bhutan in the world map.
    And the Bhutanese people are gonna to be a tribal of the state.If you don’t know about it ask with your immature king.He knows everything even than he can do no thing becoz he is in the diplomatic prison of India.If you need supportive documents of my view go and ask with the severely extinct IndoBhutan border pillars.Since 1990’s there is no more border between Bhutan and India from Singhee to Kalikhola.Before 1987 sano Pinkhuwa was under(sarpang) Bhutan. Now 90% of sano pinkhuwa falls under (assam-bodoland)India.One day Dzonkha will become a tribal language of India like Uhkhumiya of assam, Nagamise of Nagaland and Manipuri of Manipur.So don’t be too late to protect your sovereignty and Kingdom. It is not a time to speak about democracy and Gross National Happynese for Bhutanese people becoz your nationality’s and sovereignty’s death is very near
    Tashidele

  10. I am indeed thankful to the BNS editorial board for giving me this platform. I am sure my small work reached the people to their satisfaction.
    I am thankful for the inspirational opinions and advices from readers like Dick Chettri and R.P Subba. I am also happy to take note of the concerns expressed by people like Deepak Sharma, Karma Sherpa and Durga Giri. I will try my best to keep up to the demand of the readers in future. I see that we have a lot to share among ourselves while we have to work cohesively in order to bring about real democracy in Bhutan. My concern is not just limited to bringing about democracy, and sustain with diversity inclusiveness only. I wish to see that Bhutan changes its attitude towards the citizens and serve to the best satisfaction of the those ruled. In this connection it becomes our responsibility to make ample research on multifarious issues concerning myths and realities of the genesis, traditions and culture of our motherland. I hope the time ahead of us will show us better ways and means to accomplish these tasks.
    Thank you all for your awe-inspiring interests and comments.
    Thinley Penjore

  11. Dear Mr. Thinley Penjore,
    I would have liked to see more comments on your writings but……..anyway.

    Your eye opening article deserves much appreciation for bringing yet another insidious methods of RGOB. I truly believe as the facts support that the older generations of Bhutanese were illiterate and the younger generations like me, though educated were ignorant of much of the traditional land acquisition systems in Bhutan. At some point, it will be worth educating us and the world about the following points through much more elaborative discussions on the following points:
    1. Land offerings (chhos Zhing)
    2. Tsa-Tong (previously owned land fallen vacant over the years)
    3. Mi-Nap (downtrodden working class people)
    4. Chhagzhag thram (Government Land Record) adopted by 3rd king before 1960s as the modern changes; and how the lands were distributed using topographical survey (eye estimate survey) for many years of cultivation; and how the cadastral survey in late 80s and early 90s were used to expropriate the lands that belonged to the Bhutanese refugees. Now, of course how the very names of the villages, blocks, landmarks are being changed erasing the very history of land holdings under the long practised survey.
    5. And write a separate article on the political circumstances that led to killings of the Buddhist monk in Mongar with prior reflection of political killings in 1950s (Mahasur Chhetri) 1960s (PM, Jigme Palden Dorji/public execution of Namgyal Bahadur) the mysterious disappearance of the reincarnations of Shabdrung, and of course the missing Lhotsampas, the public beatings and the torture killing softly of the inmates.
    With no offence to my country and the people of Bhutan, I happen to believe that a True history of a country like ours must be written as it happened through the stages; and it should not be allowed for the victors to write their versions alone. Today’s history will become tomorrow’s judge only if the world knows the Truth. Therefore, it is the moral obligation of people like you who knew the Truth be told for the betterment of the country and the future generations.
    Thank you again
    Dick Chhetri

  12. While I particularly respond to Lotus Flower, it gives me privilege to share with all other readers about the political evolution the mankind has observed over the centuries. I am not spitting out what I simply think myself, but I am trying to say what has been recorded by the scholars, who lived on state’s pay roll. We have to believe them because they were the only scholars who could bring those events into written form for the benefit of the new generations.
    Refer back to “Druk Salwai Melong” authored by Lobpon Padma Tshewang published in Dzongkha. When changes could come in those days, why there can’t be any possibilities for such a political change in this reign as well? The valley kings that ruled east Bhutan; the five different groups of religious adventurers called themselves “Lam Khag Nga”; Drugpa Kagyupa groups in the 12th and 13th century; Pema Lingpa for some time in the 15th century; advent of the Zhabdrung in the 17th century whereupon the gradual process of the change that ultimately saw emergence of Wangchuk dynasty in the 20th century.
    If sincerity and commitments of the rulers and their supporters towards the wellbeing of the mass civil society are absent with the presence of cheap thinking people like Lotus Flower, who live not looking beyond the territories of their own kitchen garden, the days for perishing the monarchical system of rule is not very far. We don’t want such a change in the country. We still wish to see that the monarchy remains a symbol of unity and national integrity. As people have faith and respect for the throne so is expected of from the throne and the elites to understand the sentiments of our people.
    Inclusion of mass diversity into the mainstream of the nation building process is the entitlement of the people in keeping with the sanctity of the essence of democracy. Command, dictation, down treading and maltreatment of the tax payers, who are the subjects of the government of the people, should not exist for the harmonious existence of the nation. Love and commitment for the people and the nation should not be expressed through hatred and must not be looked at with indifference.
    Regarding your allegations, “Thinley penjore can utter anything to find a small seat within the refugee politics but it is not easy as he might time to time send people from the refugee camp to steal the jewels from the ancient stupas in the disguise of a monk”. In order to find out the facts about the genesis of the antique smuggling, which led to the vandalisation of stupas, killing of temple keepers, stealing of religious artifacts and mass destruction of such antique monuments, Lotus Flower must do a research on the records of the High Court of the 70s. It will educate him better.
    Apt to the saying, “Awa dargyi pudi doentha med”, there is no use of wrapping the excreta with a silken cloth. No matter how much you try to speak for the cruel regime, the truth will be unveiled as the time ripens.

  13. Dear Dasho Thinley,
    Very nice article once again. I wish that you should seriously consider resettlement in the USA. From here, you should give us guidances for true democratic changes in Bhutan. At international level you should take a lead role along with Dick Chhetri, RP Subba to lead international campaign for human rights and democracy in Bhutan. There should be two prong strategy: Dasho RK should be based in Nepal and India and should consolidate all exile Bhutanese in those region.And you should consolidate all the Bhutanese in abraod. I think this is the only lifeline for Bhutanese democratic struggle. My support are always with you forever. Please do come soon in the US.
    Sincerely
    Deepak Sharma
    USA

  14. Bhutan is a country without sovereignty.It’s area is decreasing day by day from top to bottom and the Govt is under the control of New Dheli.Normally its character looks like a state of India.If it’s a country it must be a home of all ethnicity those who are born in Bhutan.If it’s a territory of any country it must be a home of some tribes of people only.So, Mr Penjor …. what you want to do?
    Do you want to say Bhutan is a country or a territory of a country?.It’s your choice.A country must have diplomatic relationship with at list 30 countries.Does Bhutan have diplomatic relationship with even its big and border attached neighborliness country(CHINA).In future if something dispute will happen between Bhutan and China about their border how can they solve their problem without any diplomatic relationship or they will hire their owner?.So,it is shameful for the Bhutanese Govt to campaign about Gross National Happiness in the International Community.What kind of democracy Bhutanese people need in Bhutan?I don’t understand.If you need food don’t ask with beggar.Ask with the person those who have.Bhutan Govt itself is a beggar and you guys are asking something valuable thing with beggar which is not possible.If you need fruit first of all you should crop the plant.In Geographically there is still Bhutan in the world map but in politically and diplomatically there is no more Bhutan in the world.open your political and diplomatic eye and see your country.If you don’t find ask with International community.They will show you but it takes time.Remember Bhutanese Refugees are India’s strong weapon.If Bhutanese people ask about the sovereignty of Bhutan at that time India will use this weapon and kill the Bhutan’s sovereignty voice. So, Bhutanese Refugee problem will never solve becoz India wants to keep this problem as long as possible.100% sure that this is a diplomatic game of India
    Tashidele

  15. @Moni-How did you reach to the conclusion that Bhutan is without a sovereignty? How do you know that Bhutan’t area is decreasing? Do you work for the national survey or the international border department? Don’t make this kind of cheap statement.

    Bhutan is ruled by some of the refined human minds, knowledge and intellect; so they know what is good and what is bad for the country and its people. There is no specific requirements in number to have diplomatic relationship with other countries. An independent country can choose to make its decision whether or not it would like to have relationship.

    One nation on people is always better than multi-ethic composition. Take a look at Korea and Japan. You don’t make a comment to fit your idea of how it should be but on the reality of how it is.

    Begging? Exactly, why would Nepalese people want to come to Bhutan knowing that Bhutan is a beggar? Why can’t you leave Bhutan alone and find life somewhere else? But, hold on. Let me give you a little food for thought. The United States borrows money from China. It owes China some trillion dollars. The leadership of the US government know why they borrowed: to feed people like you through their welfare program. The burden of paying those money back is borne by the American citizens but you guys want more, right? Read a recent news about the ORR meeting and what your leaders have asked the US government -to give more. Nepalese people demand where ever they go; its in your blood. You guys have already started feud over the religion. If you don’t believe, read previous article.

  16. Dear Lotus, be sure that I m not from U.S.A.I m from Bodoland(Assam India) and I m 100% Indian.No need to teach me about Bhutan becoz I know Bhutan since my child age.Before 10 years Bhutan’s area was 460000 sq km. Now see the area of Bhutan in the world atlas book,it’s area is only 38000 sq km.Remaining portion of land you ate.Am I right?
    Don’t compare heaven with hell I mean don’t compare Japan with Bhutan.You know that your are gonna to be a joker of this website.Make a habit to speak truth becoz you are from Buddhist state of I..N..D..I…A…. Never mind you guys from Bhutan. I know that Bhutan is ruled by adopted son of India.If you don’t trust me go and ask with your king.
    tashidele

  17. Do you know that? after 50 years there will be no more Bhutan in the world map.
    And the Bhutanese people are gonna to be a tribal of the state.If you don’t know about it ask with your immature king.He knows everything even than he can do no thing becoz he is in the diplomatic prison of India.If you need supportive documents of my view go and ask with the severely extinct IndoBhutan border pillars.Since 1990′s there is no more border between Bhutan and India from Singhee to Kalikhola.Before 1987 sano Pinkhuwa was under(sarpang) Bhutan. Now 90% of sano pinkhuwa falls under (assam-bodoland)India.One day Dzonkha will become a tribal language of India like Uhkhumiya of assam, Nagamise of Nagaland and Manipuri of Manipur.So don’t be too late to protect your sovereignty and Kingdom. It is not a time to speak about democracy and Gross National Happynese for Bhutanese people becoz your nationality’s and sovereignty’s death is very near
    Tashidele

  18. lets see what the refined minds in bhutan are doing……..more than 90% of the population drink water from nearby ponds, streams, rivers and so on….no safe drinking water for public……but u see these refined minds enjoy in foreign whisky….u see the farmers have to carry their products on their back for more than 6 hours to reach to their local market but see these noble heros ride on brand new expensive european cars….there are still many more villages which are not touch even by grabbled road!local farmers are discouraged…..u see domestic product decreasing….its not a matter for the refined minds…..for they begged enough to feed some fistfull supporters.the refined minds called us illegal immigrants…. but u see the shopkeepers and renouned business man in towns….what the hell!….i reckon……bhutan has been ruled by invisible power of a powerful state…

  19. I lately tried uploading my comment here. But it is not appearing at all despite several attempts. It looks like the moderator holds the article and does not let it appear for what ever the reason. May I know if there is any technical reasons? That the right to expression and freedom of speech is being weakened. Please respond.

  20. Dear lotus this is for you.see the area of Bhutan in this profile done by your Govt Bhutan.you said my statements are cheap,right? remaining portion of land eaten by Mr Lotus everybody said
    Bhutan Profile
    BY YANGYU007 – MARCH 16, 2011
    POSTED IN: WORLD TOUR
    Bhutan is a tiny, remote and impoverished kingdom nestling in the Himalayas between its powerful neighbours, India and China.

    Full name: Kingdom of Bhutan
    Capital and largest city: Thimphu
    Population: 708,500 (UN, 2010)
    Area: 38,364 sq km (14,812 sq miles)
    Major language: Dzongkha (official)
    Major religions: Buddhism (official), Hinduism
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  21. @Moni-I don’t give a damn whether you are a bodo or a nep. Trying to disguise yourself as Indian? The kind mentality you have is quite different from Indians. So you wish to see drukpa becoming a tribal, uh! It’s a wishful thinking. let me put this way for ya. I have seen many nepalese baying at the moon, including your idol Tek Nath. I have also seen many refugee leaders dreaming about landing on the moon. But, after twenty years of dreaming, they are are now waking up to realize that they are still in the same bed. For you same same. You dream to see Bhutan fail but it remain a dream even after your next life if you ever as human being again.

    @ Kismat-refined minds are for Bhutanese people and not for Nepalese. Bhutanese people have already seen what they are doing. Don’t you worry about safe drinking water. Bhutan’s pond water are more safe to drink than the mineral water you can buy in Nepal.

    When was the last time you checked Bhutan’s stats. Bhutan’s GNI in 1990 when Nepalese economic immigrants were there, was $200. After they left Bhutan, the GNI Bhutan shot through the sky. It is now $2020, one of the highest in South Asia. Now what makes you think that Bhutan domestic product is decreasing. Look at your own country’s GNI. It is $200 something, one of the lowest in south asia after Afghanistan.

    Bhutan is ruled a most visible person who has the compassion to look after all those invisible people.

  22. Dear Lotus, First of all Congratulation becoz you passed PhD in psychology last night from Forest University of Bhutan.Go and get gold medal from your little king.But I got in problem becoz you made me Nepalese.Can I have a citizen of Nepal from you plz?Becoz I have a citizen of India only.
    Dear lotus,you are talking about race,cast, ethnicity, language,religion, ideology, culture and tradition but I m talking about the Land ,Area, country, power, diplomata, economic,sovereignty and independence.I m trying to expose the international problem of your tiny Himalayan Beautiful Kingdom but you are trying to hide the problem.Do you have feelings of love on your country?.I don’t think so coz you remain pin drop silence .See your country is becoming narrow and narrow every year.Don’t you have feeling of love on your sovereignty?Or you guys have no blood in your veins or you guys severely scare with New Delhi?Your mouth is not only for eat eama Dachi, sometime make a voice through you mouth to protect your Nationality and Sovereignty.Other else after 30 years Hindi language will become the compulsory subject of Bhutan.If you guys want to give your country as a gift to India…..So maintain your silence.Don’t talk about Nepalese people becoz they can do nothing to your country coz they are powerless like you but different is that they have their sovereignty and nationality.They have domestic problem but you guys have international problem.Why you guys always talking about Nepal and Nepalese?.why don’t you talk about Druk YOUL and Drukpa?.I know you guys are very smart for us(Indian) but sometime be smart for you and for your Land too.some Indians like me are in support of you and your nationality.But our(Indian)diplomats are not like me they want to merge your country into India as soon as possible.
    Tashidele

  23. Moni, seriously you need to see a psychiatric,possibly very soon before you suffer from schizophrenia. Leave Bhutan’s problem to the Bhutanese. Why don’t you go join the Anna Hazare’s protect to end corruption in India. Your time will be worth for Indians than simply wasting time for issues that don’t have any connection to you. As far as Bhutan have ‘excellent’ diplomatic tie with the government of India, I don’t buy your convoluted idea.

    Have you read news column about the protest and comments following the news. As Pakistanis are to Indians, Nepalese are to Bhutanese. Did you get it?

  24. Hi Lotus, it looks like you have to see a psychiatric soon in Thimphu. You aught to have gone crazy over the racist mentality.Comments of your type will plant the seed of racism in Bhutan. You must be aware world is against racism.
    We dont live in the 18th century.Learn to live a civilized life.

  25. Hi Anand – Yes, I am very well aware of what racism means. However, if it is okay for you guys to term drukpa regime, drupkas or even bhotias (which is an extreme racist expression), I don’t think there is anything wrong to call Nepalese a Nepalese. Nepalese simply means the citizen of Nepal, so where is the racism coming?

    Seed of racism was already planted when your type of mentality who shitted in the same plate you ate 20 years ago; when your kind of mentality wanted more besides free education, free medical, free everything; when your kind of mentality revolted against the government. There was no more racial, perhaps you will not see more racial than your kind of mentality burning national dress, national flag, destructing national properties because you believed they belonged to Drukpas. Yes, we are aware what racism means.

    Jay Bhutan- you are right, I am not lotus. I am a human being just like you. Lotus Flower is my nick name for sole purpose of commenting in this forum like your nick name Jay Bhutan. But why can’t you use something else other than Bhutan. You could have used L_ro Nepal. It could suite you better.

    Back to Anand. How do you define ‘civilized’ when you consider other people are uncivilized? You still think people in the western countries live in uncivilized world without access to any form of media. You think they don’t know about the genesis of the problem in Bhutan and so you still insist that what you are telling is true and that if they believed Bhutan, they would be dumb. Is this how civilized you are? And, it makes sense that people who live in 18th century were more civilized than people like you in 21 st century. You are an unnecessary load to this mother earth.

  26. Mr. Lotus Flower, First of all your mentality itself is fake because you chose to comment the news with a fake name. You did not dare to write the comment to the news site that took birth from the Bhutanse in exile with your real name because you still fear to participate openly. This is your coward feeling which you chose yourself because you still fear of RGOB. So where is the democracy of your puppet king? And you also fear because the media inside Bhutan does not allow it’s viewers and readers to comment and participate, so where is the freedom of speech and expression which the so called democratic govt allow? You look like you live with the bribed money from the innocent people of Bhutan or from the aid to Bhutan’s development supplied by the donor countries because you have suffcient free time to sit with the internet and does not have to work. Do you know what your fate will be when the innocent people of Bhutan revolt against the minority of you who are only the amenity enjoyers. Your days will come like that of villians of Hindi film when the people like Sonam Tshering, son of innocent farmer, feels what his basic fundamental human rights are!

  27. Dear Lotus,I got a prove that you are not from Bhutan.Your real face is Nepali and you are the citizen of Nepal.You pretended to much,this is enough.
    Prove number
    (1)you don’t know about Bhutan
    (2)You don’t have feeling of love on the Nationality,sovereignty and land of Bhutan.
    (3)You always want to hide the international problem about the border,sovereignty and nationality of Bhutan,which is very important for the Bhutan and Bhutanese.
    By the above three reason Mr Lotus is prove as non Bhutanese from today.He is trying to create big gape between the Bhutanese and Bhutan.I would like to request all the Bonofied citizens of Bhutan through this media not to trust such kind of fake Bhutanese.Others else 1990 will rep-pit again in Bhutan. Be careful with this kind of fake instrument.
    Dear Lotus, you are not match to talk about Anna Hazare and The Great India.Let me teach you how to write Bharat in english [The GREAT INDIA].jus india is worng…. make habit to respect other plz.I m very sorry to suggest you becoz we Indian have 0% tolerance power insult about the country.we Indian know how respect other people’s language.That’s why I always Tashidele at end of paragraph written by me.
    Tashidele

  28. Lotus Flower is a paid writer,he works from 9am-5Pm.

    Mr.Lotus, go to Samtse,Tsirang and Sarpang. Just take the interview of some of the landless lhotsampas. Along with thr land reciept,they will show you the exact boundary. On top of that,You will also get a chance to see and meet your own people who are resettled.Under the guidance of some enlightened minds,you forcefully grabbed our land and distributed 5 acres each to your own folk.

  29. Hello Guys,

    “Distraction is the name of the game” that navigates you away from the main issue at hand. You guys are falling prey to such tactics of some elements in the group and you are becoming victims of such manipulations. Why can’t you focus on the important issue brought by the author and redirect your energy, time and skills to separate the issues and deal with them, instead of wasting your time in personal attacks, catfights? Whose cause will it help at the end??
    Dick Chhetri

  30. @ Lotus Flower,
    Do mind your language? use of informal and extremely informal language like l-ro Nepal is really the outcome of ill minded people. Being in the forum and commenting like a man without sentiments seems terrible. If u really want to use those words u r name and fame will be mingled with soil. I assume u r only the rotten potatoes in the name of humanity. I have been reading all u r comments but found those are of far less importance. If you really want to comment do know the rule and regulation for good and constructive as well as reformative comments.
    If I happen to read such ill worded comments on my name then you have to bear the consequences of all the bitter truth behind it.I know which place do u deserve.
    Thanks
    Jay Bhutan
    Tshirang Bhutan

  31. Lotus,that is how the people expressed their dissatisfaction over the repressive governence. It becomes the duty of the govt. to create respect over the system.It is mob psychology.It was the responsibility of the govt. to address the people’s dissatisfaction. You should also accept the fact that the govt.administrators massacre five Bhutanese in Lamidara, one in Monger with point blank firing over the civilians and many have been killed in the prison.

    Anyway, I appreciate that you have hit the point, people from Bhutan became refugees not because they were illegal immigrants but they challenged the repressive policies of dress code and one nation one people policy.Hence, your PM should stop campaigning that it is the issue of illegal immigrants. It is a mass exodus through state terrorism.We still sing national anthem in the refugee camps and pay respect to the national integrity. Infact people of your menatality are anti nationals who distabalise the communal harmony of a country.
    Well over the free education and free medical fecelities you should know that it is not from the pocket of the feudal lords.Such support have come from international assistance for the development of the country and from the tax payers.
    As rightly challenged by Sushil Nirola you should come up with your identity to be responsible for you racist comments.
    Your govt. should realise the past mistakes and go towards national reconcialiation.I appreciate that the present king is taking some right steps in the interest of the nation.I look forward for a better Bhutan and a long lasting peace in the country.

  32. Jay Bhutan – do you think you used a descent word like (jay)? You can’t fool people because you think they don’t know the meaning of it. The comments are not intended for you, so it doesn’t have to make sense to you. I want to reach to other readers who otherwise would only read your side of the story.

    Threatening is in your blood. But it won’t shake even a single hair in my ass. I will be happy to bear the consequences for the sake of my country.

    Damphu
    Bhutan

  33. Dear lotus, you don’t have country. why are you using the word my country.Don’t make castle in the air plz.Meaning less dream will make you meaning less people.Bhutan is not your country. You guys don’t have right to speak that Bhutan is my country. Bhutan is our country too. Lets make a habit to say our country.Bhutan is a country of we Indian people.We constructed road, buildings. city and infrastructure of our state[Bhutan].So you guys[nepali and drukpa] doesn’t have right to speak about Bhutan.That is your dream only but never fulfill.You don’t want to give the organ of your body to other person same like that we don’t want to give the part of our Great Nation[Great India] to anybody
    Dhanyabat{tashidele}

  34. Big applause to Mr. Thinley Penjor ji for bringing this article. The article is explicitly exposing how Bhutan is behaving to the section of its own population.
    This story is the sufficient example to prove that Bhutan deliberately carried out ethnic cleansing in 90’s to demographically reduce the Lhomphas and Sharchops population in order to continue it hegemony. And paradoxically, Bhutan tries to teach the world how to remain happy by expelling one sixth of its population. How can Bhutan set such example when its own people never even getting chances to experience happy moments living in the refugee camps.
    There are many people living in the far flung areas in rural Bhutan who do not have excess to safe drinking water, basic health facilities, education and employment. Are these people still happy without the basic needs? One can easily draw the conclusion by going through this article by Mr.Penjor.

    Thanks

  35. Dear Lotus Flower,
    Having looked through one of your comments above, you seem to be a Bhutanese nepali as you wrote “l_ro” at the end of one of your comments. You might not have learnt this filthy nepali word for the sake of scolding these nepali speaking guys rather you are also a nepali speaking person. Whatever tribes you belong to, it’s an exact time to analyse something more about your nationality and sovereignty. Truly speaking, I am one of the exiled bhutanese but I don’t have anything to argue with the sovereignty and nationality of Bhutanese people. Also I don’t care about which tribe I belong to because it doesn’t help me and I don’t have anything to do with the pride of my nationality.It doesn’t matter me which place I live in because I am contended within myself unlike other guys. You know, But if you are truly a resident of Bhutan and is still living there you need to think more about those subjects. See, infact your country is being engulfed by two great giants India from south and China from north. Don’t again argue regarding this truth. Don’t waste your time in simply writing comments here, do something worthy that saves your identity.

    Thank you

  36. @Lotus Flower.. Let’s do one survey as ‘whom (person) you want to kill if given the chance?’ to all the Bhutanese people without intimidation.
    Based on the percentile outcome, let’s argue whether the government was fair or played foul to its people.
    I’ve watched your unnecssary poking business forcing the people to say red for white body because of your color blindness. We understand your caliber with clause only butfunctionless independently.

  37. Very well written piece Mr. Penjore and quite balanced. You have capacity to write even better articles representing the voice of socially marginalized people inside and outside the country. I would encourage you to read the work of Paulo Freire where he talks about the voices of the oppressed people and their assets in being able to cope and withstand the difficult situation. Good work and as Gobind Bhai suggests you have the capability to raise the concerns much more powerfully.

  38. So the Nepalese leadership have now realized that a small landlocked country cannot bear the burden of demographic explosion, and the economic migrants from neighboring Indian state of Bihar and West Bengal are threat to out populate Nepalese in Nepal.

    Here is what is going on in Nepal.

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    Millions of Nepal’s children ‘risk statelessness’

    Stateless Nina Tamang, 18, gestures as she talks with her grandmother Ratna Maya Tamang outside her home in the Nepal’s capital yesterday. Despite her mother being a Nepali national, Nina cannot become a citizen of Nepal because her father who had abandoned her mother, after she was born is absent, and she has no official proof of his nationality

    Up to 2mn children in the impoverished Himalayan nation of Nepal are at risk of becoming stateless — without country or nationality — if the government approves strict citizenship criteria in its new constitution, UN officials warn.
    Nepal is emerging from a decade-long civil conflict with Maoist rebels that killed 13,000 people and devastated the economy.
    After a 2006 peace deal, the monarchy was abolished and a special assembly charged with drafting the country’s first republican constitution.
    But UN officials say some provisions in the proposed new charter discriminate against the hundreds of thousands of mixed marriages in Nepal by granting children citizenship only if both parents are Nepali. “As it stands, the rules are extremely restrictive when it comes to transmitting citizenship by descent,” said a senior UN official in Kathmandu, who asked to be named.
    “It can be one or two million children from these hundreds of thousands of mixed marriages who would be stateless. But it would not just stop there … the children of these people would also be stateless. It would continue like this for generations.”
    If approved, the rules would make Nepal only the second country in the world, after its tiny and remote South Asian neighbour Bhutan, to demand both parents be nationals for a child to gain citizenship.
    Furthermore, even if a foreign spouse wishes to take Nepali citizenship, rules dictate they can only be eligible after 15 years of legal residence in Nepal, leaving their children in a protracted state of limbo. With no official documents, children of mixed marriages will have no right to a college education, a passport or driving license, to land, government pensions, to voting or to participating in elections. They would also face difficulties seeking jobs.
    UNHCR will launch a campaign tomorrow to highlight the plight of the world’s up to 15mn statelessness people, to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the 1961 UN convention on reducing statelessness.
    The convention, of which Nepal is not a signatory, explicitly states in its first article that nations must grant nationality to a person born in its territory who would otherwise be stateless.
    Government figures from 1995 estimated there were 800,000 people in Nepal without citizenship certificates, although experts believe more than double this number are now “undocumented”.
    Many are women, who have for decades faced restrictive citizenship rules in this conservative, patriarchal country where only men have the right, de facto, to transfer nationality to their children.
    Those living in the Terai region — home to nearly half of Nepal’s 28mn people — are most at risk, aid workers say.
    The Madheshi people of Terai are similar in language, dress, ethnicity and culture to Indians across the border in the adjacent states of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh.
    Many migrate from either side to work as farmers or to trade and both peoples share strong family ties, often connected through marriage.
    “We want to ensure that the rules relating to citizenship in the new constitution are not going to lead to new cases of statelessness,” said Mark Manly, head of UNHCR’s stateless unit. “If the rules are very restrictive … then all of a sudden you can have lots of people who are left out.”
    Some Nepali politicians have defended the new rules, saying Nepal — a small country boxed in between Asian giants India and China — needs to protect the interests of its people from the growing dominance of others in the region.
    “We need to tighten the rules otherwise a small country like ours cannot take the pressure from big neighbours,” said Pradeep Gwayali, a parliamentarian and a member of the panel which recommended the new rules, acknowledging it was to discourage Indians and Chinese from seeking Nepali nationality.
    “No one will be stateless and children from mixed marriages can apply for citizenship after 15 years or they can opt for the citizenship of the country of their foreign parent.” Reuters

  39. Lotus Flower,
    I am very much saddened by your capacity of understanding the subject around which the discussions require to be carried out.
    When you make your image is reflected negatively. For your own benefit before you point at the ant on some one’s forehead look at the regular kuensel reporting on poor educational systems, impoverished status of the Bhutanese in the far flung villages, under-reached health posts,monopolised business sectors in the east Bhutan and several others including land grabbing by royal families and those in power. It is not that I am saying, but the official mouth piece kuensel in the recent past covered on these reporting.
    Take care of yourself before spitting out your comments, otherwise you seem to be a black spot on the Bhutanese community inside Bhutan, who chants and lauds the devils.

  40. Dear Lotus, yes that’s fact becoz around three hundred millions Nepalese speaking people are citizen of Indian.They live in Great India.Some of them minister too like Powan Chamling of Sikkim and Moni Kumar Subba of Assam.But Nepal has its own sovereignty,dignity and nationality.Bhutan doesn’t have.
    Tashidele

  41. Watch what is going on in Nepal, your idol country. Now you can wear what you wanted -daura suruwal.

    Dress code divides Nepal
    By Sudeshna Sarkar , Kathmandu, Aug 26 : Three years ago, when Pushpa Kamal Dahal Prachanda, the leader of Nepal’s 10-year communist revolution, re-appeared in parliament as the nation’s first Maoist prime minister, he wore a sober suit.

    However, had he done it today, he could have been barred from appearing in the house: not because the civil war killed over 17,000 people but because he was not following the official dress code.

    In a surprise move this week, Nepal’s Supreme Court has ruled that the multi-cultural republic, where over 59 communities live, has to have a single official attire: the daura suruwal – tight trousers and a long shirt – capped by a traditional Nepali topi or cap.

    The court decision revives the past dispute that saw Nepal’s Vice-President Paramananda Jha almost lose his position for having taken the oath of office in Hindi while dressed in dhoti and kurta, the attire preferred by southern Nepal.

    Protests have begun to erupt against the dress code. Parliament Thursday asked the government to resolve the row after MPs from the Terai plains threatened to burn the official attire in public and block the house.

    The other indigenous communities are also opposing the decision fiercely.

    “Nepal is a multi-lingual, multi-cultural nation and all clothes worn by its many people should be recognised as the official attire of Nepalis,” said Ang Kaji Shrestha, general secretary of Nepal Adivasi Janajati Mahasangh, an umbrella organisation of indigenous communities.

    “Almost 37.8 percent of Nepal population comprises indigenous communities who have their own clothes. The dress code denies their identity and continues the domination exercised by one community for 250 years when Nepal was a Hindu state.”

    Raj Kumar Lekhi, chief of the federation, says at a time Nepal is writing a new constitution to provide for a federal government, the dress code smacks of a conspiracy to derail federalism.

    “It is an echo of the move by the court 14 years ago to deny the mother tongues of indigenous communities,” Lekhi said.

    In the past, Nepal had started using Maithili and Newari, the two languages spoken by a large number of people, in local government offices. But the court banned it, saying Nepali alone was the official language.

    The indigenous communities still observe Jeth 18 (around June 1), the day when the verdict was delivered, as a black day.

    “It is also extremely impractical,” Lekhi says. “If you wear the daura suruwal to an official programme in the mountains, you will freeze to death. If you wear it in the scorching plains where people are sweating even when they have just a piece of cloth tied around their waists, they will die of heat stroke.”

    The two largest communities from the Terai, the Tharus and the Madhesis, are also opposing the dress code.

    The Tharus, regarded as the descendants of the Buddha, wear the kachhar and kameez – a cloth wrapped around the waist with a loose shirt.

    An underground Tharu organisation, the Tharuhat Terai Party Nepal, has called a general strike Sep 1-2.

    Ironically, the dress code comes even as Nepal is playing host to thousands of Bhutanese refugees who were forced to leave Bhutan because of their ethnic roots.

    The crackdown in Bhutan enforced a national dress and banned Nepali-origin citizens from wearing the clothes of their forefathers and using the Nepali language in official places.

    (Sudeshna Sarkar can be contacted at [email protected])
    –IANS

  42. Dear lotus,
    Whatever they doing is good becoz that is country.Each and everybody should be respect in the country.Nepal is home of all ethnicity.Country doesn’t mean the private property of anybody.So whatever Nepalise people doing thats good for them becoz i know that nepal is a home of multi ethnicity even there is a place for you too.But i like tiny himalayan picture(Bhutan) made by Gtreate India.In Bhutan no body has mouth to speak about sovereignty,dignity,and nationality of the country or they don’t know the meaning of the country coz they don’t have country.
    Tashidele

  43. Dear Lotus
    I don’t care Daura, suruwal, daka, topi, and khukuri.I like blue jins paint and white vest, and my face is not looks like my grand parents.I m a youth of 21st century and don’t like to live in the stone cave.I like to visit the city with lots of skyscrapers, cars, lights, shiny and smooth highways and freeways having lots of flyovers.I don’t know what is my mother tongue too becoz I m seven times cross but I know the rights and wrong,the responsibility, the value and the meaning of country that-sit.
    Tashidele

  44. It is probably true that you don’t know your mother tongue. And I doubt you know who your father is. When is the time that you cared about anything. It seems that you live a life of fantasy: hoping to see something unrealistic. You don’t even have nationality, so why do you worry about other country. Your vein is full of bad blood. You know how to blame others before realizing what consequences it will have.

    You guys have even started racial profiling in America. You started hating blacks. In a few year you will start hating whites. Then you will claim that whole America belong to you. Too bad.

  45. Dear lotus,
    Nationality doesn’t mean language, clothes, culture etc etc.See the example of India.we don’t have this type of primitive thought.I love my Nation.I want to protect the sovereignty of my country.As per your sense lots of indian minister do not wear doti.You mean they don’t love Indian Nationality and sovereignty,am I right?.What kind of ill mind you guys have?.This is 21st century try to come up.To whom are you talking I don’t understand.Are talking with the people of america or what?
    Daura ,suruwal never protect the sovereignty of Nepal same like that your old go and kira never protect the sovereignty of Bhutan.I din’t blame anybody but you blame on me.Sometime you blame me bodo,sometime you blame Nepali what is that?
    Are you okey?.If you don’t mine let me ask you a question.If your son will want to become a navy what would you do?
    tashidele

  46. On a different topic Mr. ashutosh sukla wrote –

    ashutosh shukla Says:
    August 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    “There were at times calls to end Bhutan’s sovereignty by merging it with India. While Bhutan’s fate seems to be ultimately sealed within its big neighbor’s underbelly, time can let some players do some match ups on this issue. Long time ago in the 1990s, a Bhutanese politician was lobbying the Indian parliamentarians in Delhi to intervene in Bhutan like it did in Sikkim. The Indians fearing international backlash did not formally say anything. But it was music to some of them who openly say in private that Bhutan is a state of India. Thereafter, many Bhutanese politicians in exile have contemplated if it would be better to throw the absolute monarchy through Indian help. The Indians have declined to put their weight behind these leaders because they don’t see these leaders able enough to lead an alternative government in Thimphu.

    One of the strategies of the Indian government is to wear out these leaders so much, so that at the end, they will approach Delhi with a proposal to buy their plan.

    If Rongthong, Rijal, Thinley Penjore, Balaram Poudel, DNS Dhakal, Dr. Bhampa and their respective political parties came together under one platform and submitted a proposal – even in the Indian eyes, that would justify a direct intervention the Sikkim way. Then Bhutan’s Lhendup Kazi would be duly appointed – the future Chief minister of the Indian state of Bhutan. Does it look possible? Just think?

    Lesson to the Bhutanese leaders in Thimphu – would you rather compromise in the interest of Bhutan’s sovereignty and call the exile leaders and political parties into Bhutan or prolong the problem so much that these exile leaders – tired of living endlessly outside the country, will one day be forced to openly lobby, even internationally for Bhutan’s merger with India. They have practically nothing to lose any way? Just think again!”

    Note: Whether the story is made up or real, I think our leaders need to read it and say which side of the fence they are sitting.

  47. Rp’s interpretation of ashutosh sukla point gives much sense to the leaders in Bhutan, with stake in hand. In the state of statelessness, what will the refugee leaders lose if they resort to ask for Inidia’s involvement in their problem? They are already forced ro lose where they thought they had part and portion!

    As recommended, compromised solution between the affected people will safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity of our dear nation BHUTAN. I would sign for the option of local compromise instead of bringing in the third party that will take all from both!

  48. well i lost track of the real topic, as i read…lol

    well chillax guys, give some air for each other.

    i dont understand y u ve to drag India and Nepal in between, when the main reason for the operation of this page is regarding Bhutan and the So-called southern bhutanese…
    im sure Mr.Moni Is not indian…he sound more like a nepali immigrant to bhutan.
    so, stop draging the name of India, between.

    bhutan is an independent country with it sovereign right everybody knows that….so i guess Mr.Moni knows it too.

  49. The Bhutanese refugee problem in Nepal is created by handfull of disgruntal nepali people supported by few people of nepal and people of Darjeeling district of india with a dream to create greater Nepal comprising sikkim, Darjeelin and souhtern belt of Bhutan.
    They undermind the good gesture of Bhutan King as weak Government. Actually, it was king who implemented policy of marriage between Drukpas and nepali and reward of cash prize.
    It was KING who provided free land to so called SUKUMBASI(land less) nepali in southern Bhutan
    It was king who elevated a dozer handiman working under the public works (Rizal)department at the rank of royal council and provided english classes in the foreign country.
    It was king who promoted nepali at the rank of District administration/secretary in the ministry/director/senior ranks in the Armed force and even nominated at the ministerial posts.
    Not only that.. Nepali from armed forces were inducted into King’s secutiry force as ADC.
    In conclusion I must say that….These handfull of nepali leaders undermind the good gesture of king as weak Government and under estimated his strong and dynamic leadership.

  50. I must show my respect for your kindness in support of folks that must have help with your issue. Your special dedication to getting the message up and down has been pretty interesting and has empowered women just like me to arrive at their targets. Your entire insightful advice implies much a person like me and even more to my mates. With thanks; from each one of us.

  51. Dear Dasho
    I read your article which has show all fact and event in bhutan. Dasho did u think about how you fight for political right in Bhutan, Human right, Every bhutanse has shape their thought that dasho can fight for the right of Bhutanese people around the globe
    DEVI
    Australia