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Experts throw mixed reactions on NRB formation

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Experts throw mixed reactions on NRB formation
Participants and guests

Various political and human rights activists from Nepal Friday expressed mixed reactions on formation of Non-Resident Bhutanese (NRB) Network, and its future role to consolidate democratic struggle in Kathmandu.

From right, Former DPM Dr Prakash Chandra Lohani, CPN-UML Politburo Member Gangadhar Tuladhar and historian Ramesh K Dhungel

Former Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Dr Prakash Chandra Lohani said NRB agenda was laudable, and but needed approval from Bhutan.

“It is a good agenda. However, it has to be endorsed by the Bhutanese Parliament. I have no idea if Bhutan has acts related to this,” stated Lohani.

“Recognition to Non-Resident Bhutanese is a big deal. Its approval means accepting exiled Bhutanese as genuine citizens, which is exactly opposite to Bhutan’s present stance.”

According to Lohani, Nepal should press Bhutan in repatriating those refugees who don’t want to resettle in the west.

“We must acknowledge the fact that only a few thousands of refugees are likely to remain behind at the end. And, Nepal should apply all efforts to repatriate the remaining refugees,” added he.

Participants and guests

While, noted historian and Bhutan expert Ramesh K Dhungel suggested to go for a broader organization representing whole Bhutanese diasphora where NRB could remain under its umbrella.

“The Bhutanese diasphora is a ‘forceful diasphora’ created forcefully by the international community,” Dhungel expressed, terming resettlement as an ‘inhuman betrayal’ to sideline the issue of repatriation.

“The resettlement is, indeed, a sad human history.”

According to historian Dhungel, who is regarded as an expert on early Nepal-Bhutan relations, the ‘forceful diasphora’ of Bhutanese nationals would be a new chapter for diasphoric studies.

Meanwhile, CPN-UML Politburo Member and former minister Gangadhar Tuladhar appreciated initiatives to begin the discussion of NRB, but said a continuity to such an issue was a must.

“The CPN-UML is ready to support your initiative. However, we expect continuity.”

Former Ambassador Hiranya Lal Shrestha and rights activist Dr Arjun Karki expressed their fear that NRB concept might sideline main agenda of democratic struggle in Bhutan. The duo urged to first prioritize issue of repatriation, and then promote NRB concept.

While, senior journalist Hem Bahadur Bista asked resettle Bhutanese to earn in the west and invest in Nepal. “The existing political scenario is such that Bhutanese refugees in the west need to earn and make investments in Nepal to lure our leaders, and cash in their supports.”

Dr DNS Dhakal explains NRB concept

He further added, “I tried a lot to convince our foreign ministry to set up a separate desk for handling the Bhutanese refugee issue, but I failed. I am sure the Non-Resident Bhutanese concept would bring the scattered disaphora together.”

On behalf of the organizer, Dr DNS Dhakal and Druk National Congress(DNC) President Kesang Lhendup clarified the concept and necessity of NRB in the present context.

According to Dr Dhakal, recognition of Non-Resident Bhutanese status to the resettled people and repatriation of willing refugees from the camps in Bhutan was a way forward for an amicable resolution.

“Recognition of NRB status for the resettled Bhutanese by democratically elected Parliament of Bhutan will remain the campaign agenda of exiled communities,” he clarified.

Karma Dupthob

The Voice of Non-Resident Bhutanese, a webpage on NRB, was also launched during the program.

Meanwhile, DNC General Secretary, Karma Dupthob, has been nominated as Secretary to the  NRB Secretariat in Kathmandu.

“The Secretary will do needful lobbies with resettled communities in various countries, and finalize an ad-hoc committee hereafter,” Dr Dhakal added, announcing the first NRB conference in January 2015 in Kathmandu.

“We expect to garner over 100 resettled Bhutanese for the conference in 2015 as the ongoing resettlement program will be taking a turning point by this time.”

42 COMMENTS

  1. Why discuss this issue with nepali leaders??????this is non of their business unless Bhutanese parliament recognise NRB . better discuss the agenda with major political parties of bhutan if you can. What do you aspect from nepal ????can nepal play an important role in NRB recognition ????? If yes how ??? Why don’t you discuss this issue with India ??? What will you do if Bhutanese citizen with their Bhutanese passport living in different countries form NRB and get recognised from Bhutanese parliament ?????

  2. I am confused and most Bhutanese do not understand and know from where these things come up and land up in our front. It happens as if they are masters to it. And others are uninformed.

    NRB! we are already NRB why ask for more?
    If you people have any sense that is working bring the legal institutions The Hague ICJ, the experts and put the Wangchuck Kings and its coteries in the prison. When you are close to it try it, do it. Do you still feel ashamed of trying this?

    How long you live?

    It may be a good work for some but it is not necessary for the Bhutanese who have been butchered, their mothers raped, house burnt, property looted, shunned mothers fathers brothers and sisters died…crying for justice, and finally evicted from the country to let us die in the wilderness.

    I think, some people who are interested to help the movement are vying for something else …….

  3. Good initiative. The idea of NRB is itself a very good concept and deserves our appreciations but the task of getting confidence of our King and its subsequent approval from RGOB is a great challenge. I feel we need to identify someone having good reputation inside Bhutan and let such people be given reponsibility further with this regard.

    I would be very glad if such confidence could be gained by the exiled based Bhutanese political parties but the past history hardly showed that.

  4. An initiative has come out of a long silence. It’s a welcome move. I appreciate it. As it has come from the respected seniors there is no doubt it has a sound reason. From the name “NRB” only, it’s difficult to guess the strategies and associated prospects. There are many questions associated with this move, which I feel will be clarified once we get to understand the concept. I long to read the concept in detail and understand the rationale behind it. If it’s possible please upload the entire discussion that took place in Kathmandu.

    It seems some good things have started already. The secretary is in place- Good luck Mr Karma Dupthob. A web page is already online [ Letters “refugees” in the website address , doesn’t seem accommodating, though]. A conference is in the calendar. The best of all, the discussion has started.

    I believe, this move will gather rapid momentum at a time when all other attempts have proved insufficient. I wish best of all lucks for the success of this initiative. I eagerly wait to be convinced that NRB is a necessary move.

  5. @Dhakal,
    your act is smart but your ideas are not. now, you have started gathering Nepalese to explore your NRB concept. Shame on you because you have no courage to explore your ideas with your own Bhutanese. You feel guilty among resettled Bhutanese and you have some egos that will ultimately down to earth. you feel that there are none Bhutanese who can understand your politics.
    next time , please come with new and more worth giving project. good luck

  6. @Ram,
    This guy is the next big headed. If you are in N-land, think how did you manage to escape from refugee camp when all the other Bhutanese were under the plastic huts. Did you realize that you are supposed to do volunteer work after your danfe scholarship? please never talk about history otherwise you may lose your own existence.
    take care

  7. What ever the idea, concept and vision. No Bhutanese who understand the level of this concept are consulted.

    Dr Prakash Chandra Lohani is right, the blessing of Bhutan is only the step to make it a legitimate NRB.

    The concept is no different from other previous agendas. Linking repatriation to NRB in itself has showed it is merely another organisation in the NRB name (same wine in the new bottle).

    The NRB seems more of a advocacy for democracy and human rights in Bhutan and repatriation.

    Dr Dhakal showed that he has no confidence with the Bhutanese diaspora who are highly intellectuals and have never consulted, this has undermined his capacity to work in a team.

    If not anyone, the ABA and OBCA representatives, and few well respected leaders like Ratan Gazmer, Jogen Gazmer, RP Subba, Dick Chhetri, Om Dhungels and few others should have been consulted along with Tek Nath Rizal. And perhaps, few of them should have to taken to Nepal.

    It is okay to get the expertise of Nepali veterans but at the cost of Bhutanese diaspora’s blessing, this is a strong act that will result in deep difference of opinion among the Bhutanese, first coz it is secretly done without any information, second people who have difference of opinion with Dhakal are not at all consulted.

    No one can dare from Bhutan to talk or even raise eyebrows on this issue from inside Bhutan at the current times. Hypothetical analysis is sending wrong message and false expectation. The so called expert on Bhutan should know what is the current reality and see the experts in the diaspora youth as well, not only on hand picked Bhutanese.
    The time to advocate/lobby with Bhutan has passed in 20 long years when everyone was so close.

    If any relations needs to be established with the GROB, it is through direct negotiation with them through western mediators from the resettled by winning their trust as India will not listen to Dhakal and team, and RGOB will not credible the Nepalese Govt and its politicians which is evident from last 20 years.

    The choice, you may take 20 years to achieve from the current NRB and its talk down campaign with Bhutan to get, if at all a small recognition from section of Bhutanese disgruntled politicians. However, if you follow the path of direct negotiation with RGOB and its well wishers from the west, it may happen much more in as early as in 10 years.

    In June 2012, I sought the opinion of experts from Core Group of Countries’s diplomats in Geneva on Advocacy and reconciliation with Bhutan.

    The unilateral advise was: You cannot have both ways:1) Pushing for repatriation and democratic rights in Bhutan; 2) Reconciliation with Bhutan by negotiation.
    You should wait and take one approach at anytime, they said.

    The current NRB concept seems going for everything from everywhere.

    I see fundamental misconception and communication by Dhakal in this movement. If it is successful you win, if is fails and produces 5 more NRBs, you are responsible for all.

    You will perhaps get wider support if you seek more close opinion of resettled youths who will be the driving force.

    Just having few fellows from DNC doesn’t change the NRB to be recognized by all.
    HAPPY TO DIRECTLY TALK TO DHAKAL AND TEAM ON THIS.
    All the best.
    Parsu
    +61 412 265 317
    E: [email protected]
    Melbourne

  8. The purpose is well intentioned. However, the term NRB (sic) plays out a different meaning and it needs to be re-examined.
    Secondly, the concept of NRB (whatever) is antithetical to the concept of repatriation. In principle is difficult to support one without rejecting the other.

  9. All Bhutanese resettled in third countries become non resident bhutanese only when they become the citizens of their country of resettlement.As such our political parties in exile should work for their own repatriation and the repatriation of those who want to go to Bhutan from camps in Nepal and third countries if they choose not to acquire citizenship of their country of resettlement .The association of Non Resident Bhutanese should be formed by those who lost Bhutanese citizenship by acquiring citizenships of other countries .And obviously it would be non political social organization of Bhutanese diaspora .It should include all former Bhutanese citizens who have become citizens of other countries through resettlement by IOM and by personal effort of all Bhutanese who never became refugees.All political parties in exile should fight with present so called democratic government of Bhutan for their acceptance by Bhutan as a registered political parties having rights to contest election in Bhutan .Then repatriation and NRB etc become possible.NRB is possible only after repatriation and non existence of Bhutanese political parties in exile and only when resettled Bhutanese acquire citizenship of their respective country of resettlement .

  10. I believe that the more realistic pathway to NRB is by starting a healing process of the nation and its people both inside and outside the country. It is good to have a long term vision, but at the outset, Bhutanese in exile need to support the common international platform being formed (International Campaign for Human Rights in Bhutan: ICHRB) with basic goal for a Congressional Hearing and Truth Commission. It will be in the healing process where the recognition of the NRB, its roles, mutual benefits like visit to Bhutan, trade and commerce will come up for deliberations. It is in these two things that the fate of Bhutanese in exile lies in the sense that whether our voices are heard; in fact it is in these two things that the legacy of Bhutanese refugees will depend for the history to judge Bhutan and its people in future, before the eyes of the world communities. Trying to make NRB a political tool for a political movement with no clarity of vision is immature exercise in futility.

    Time has come for the Bhutanese refugee leaders to realize that they have Lost and RGOB has Won the war though the battle for repatriation of remaining people continues. HM the 4th king could not forgive its own subjects, therefore time has come for the subjects to forgive Him (not his Karma) and start the healing process based on the principle, “Forgive but don’t forget”. I think this will pave the way towards bringing some kind of conclusion between the winners and losers, more importantly allows the victims to move forward in new countries with new hopes and dreams. If we took this approach, I am certain that the world will question the Buddhist conscience of the nation and the integrity of GNH campaign, thereby forcing the democratic leaders inside to rethink about Gross National Happiness (GNH) Vs Gross Human Rights Abuses (GHRA), and whether they should coexist in democratic Bhutan! Or is it better to reflect upon the victims and start a healing process based on the foundation of truth? Perhaps the possibility of repatriation lies somewhere there….., and then the mutually beneficial work of NRB will come into play after that.

    This is my personal view as i see many other opinions. It may be the right time to have an international Advisor to segregate these views and throw away the jargons to focus on the workable ones that might actually lead to better results.

    Thank you

    Dick Chhetri

  11. The idea of NRB is an excellent steps to reunite the scattered bhutanese in diaspora, but the involvement of bhutanese polittical leaders in-exile means they are searching theirs ways of existence in the international comunities. Because after the completion of resettlement programme, the left over refugees in camps will be in grave problems of existence. They cannot listen to this political leaders agenda.so, it¸s the time to search the permanent solution for them not to form any more organization. its sure that after the turning point of resettlement the so-called leaders and intellectuel will be proved as complete failure, so before that they are searching theirs safe landing by establishing one wealthy organization which will help to fill the begging boul.

  12. It is our seer opportunity to see Dr. Dhakal appear here frequently with concept solely reinforced by him or a few of his coterie. The result is, it is vehemently opposed for the simple reason that it germinates totally out of a self-serving non-participatory approach. This crude unilateral approach is certain to be challenged of course by the diaspora who are increasingly growing to maturity and can visualize not only the pros and cons but its long term impact.

    The first thing it perplexes me is the very concept of the NRB. Let us define it in a lay man’s term: NRB= Bhutanese citizens who stay abroad for employment / business /Vocation /other purpose in circumstances indicating an indefinite period. The stay has to be legally accepted by the the country of origin and an recognition is thereupon awarded to these citizens. The crux of the matter lies immediately here as we are declared 1000 times in black and white as illegal immigrants. Further, RGB is not going to budge an inch away from this statement very soon, at least not in another 20 years. So, why should it, on the first place, recognize NRB when it has no pressure whatsoever, to recognize its genuine citizens even as its legal immigrants?

    Even after 20 long years we have been pitiably crying to convince BG to change its vicious statement and call us legal citizens OR at least take a few 100s from over 100000 back as its genuine citizen. What is happening….?I s not it it heart breaking?

    If we have any time to waste, waste with this concept, I have no qualm. If we do not have, let us be a bit sensible and STOP building castles in the air. In our given context this concept is arrant even to think about.

    Nil
    London

  13. NRB is a game-changer, and clearly a visionary agenda! I disagree with Dick Chhetri’s proposal of forming an international body for human rights to address a refugee cause. That has become an obsolete and will not work. Refugee leaderships have tried with it. It wont work after resettled Bhutanese received their citizenship in their new country. Second, I strongly disagree about dick chettri about his blatant approvel K4 winning and Refugee lossing. That is a loosing mentality. The fact is nobody lose or win. If win every body win( refugee and the kings) and if lose every body lose ( refugee and kings). Creation of refugees was done by unforeseen hands! Neither kings nor refugee leaders have clue. Creation of refugee issue has hidden purpose ! Now kings have realized it and refugee leaders have realized it. Some of the people like Dick Chhetri , Parsu Sharma do not have to worry about NRB ( the game changer). It will take its own course!

    Sonam Tshering
    Thimphu, Bhutan

  14. 1. NRB is a soft-power of refugee as GNH for Bhutan. Great initiative whoever did this!
    2. NRB is a win-win for both the parties ( refugees and ruling group)
    3. NRB is the only viable option as other options won’t work after resettled Bhutanese would obtain their citizenships in their respective countries
    4. Getting recognition as NRB from international communities means achieving 80% of your directionless battle
    5. “People may choose to climb a top of the mountain by different route! The fact is the panoramic view seen from the top of the mountain is the same! NRB route is lot easier, safe, easy to climb and accommodative than some of you guys proposing International campaign or diaspora campaign!
    6. NRB should be initiated with a small group of people who have understood the issues. And you guys did the right thing at Kathmandu! Whoever likes it would join it, and whoever dislikes it would not join it.
    7. Do not get bothered by the negative comments, as these guys do not have influence in the diaspora not deliver any tangible result for our Bhutanese cause!!!

    Kunzang Dorji
    Royal Thimphu College

  15. Dear Nil:
    Thanks for the candid expression, and that is the crux of the problem!
    I believe that the view expressed by you are of minority position inside the country. Everyone in Bhutan knows that the Bhutanese refugees in the camps were Bhutanese citizen and the issue will always bounce bank unless an amicable solution is found to it.
    Third country resettlement does not solve the problem, it is giving us time for those inside and outside the country to think about on what we could do in the long-run on the issue of justice to the resettled people and welfare and security of Bhutan and Bhutanese people in the long-run.
    There are different ways of defining non-Resident Bhutanese. I have been living in Nepal since 1991 but I travel around the world with a travel document which identifies me as Bhutanese Citizen. Resettled people are issued green card or passport with place of origin as Bhutan.
    We consider resettled population as non-resident Bhutanese until an amicable solution is found jointly by the conflicting parties: the State of Bhutan and those of us who have been advocating for an amicable solution. We believe Non-Resident Bhutanese Status with an appropriate rights of connectivity in Bhutan will be one of the ways forward for finding an amicable solution even for those who choose taking citizenship of host country. And many of the resettling countries have provision for dual citizenship.
    I would also like to thank other friends who have taken interest on the issue. I look forward talking with them individually in the future once I become more free from day to day activities.
    As Karma, General Secretary of DNC, has taken the responsibility of contacting you all and seek advices and guidance for future work, I am sure you will all be approached individually. We can have better understanding on the issue as we move forward organizing the first formation meeting of NRP in Kathmandu in January 2015.
    Thanking You,

  16. 1. Some of you “comments Bhutan government won’t give recognition to NRB”
    Answer: That is why you need to campaign for it. That is why you need to form a strong team for the strong lobby at International level
    2. Some of you “Comments that formation of NRB by selected people in Kathmandu will not work”
    Answer: Everybody in the camps tried together in the past to work in unison. It won’t work. Initiation of a great vision won’t begin with bandwagon. It has to start by somebody and others following it
    3. Some of your comments that Kings won the battle and refugee lost it
    Answer: You are wrong! Refugee won the battle. Refugees are the pioneer of current democracy in Bhutan.
    4. Healing time raised by some of you?
    Answer: Development of wound in fact started the day resettlement began! We need antibiotics to prohibit the spread of germs. And that antibiotic is NRB
    5. Refugee leaders forming another NGO and earning money?
    Answers: That is a cheap allegation by the people with cheap mentality. Donors are not fools to give free money to refugee leaders. Donors are not fools to be duped by refugee leaders. Had refugee leaders have become the mega-rich as you claimed, they could have spent a dignified and a novel life in the western countries like you. You need to do more soul-searching before throwing allegation
    6. International Campaign for Human Rights?
    Answer: This is a blunt weapon. We need razor like sharp and that is NRB

    Lets support NRB!…….Lets support NRB!! ……and Lets Support NRB!!!

    Ms Desel Tobgay
    Thimphu

  17. Dear Mr. Dhakal,
    You are a failed leader. You promised us to take us back to Bhutan and you couldnt. Now we have come to US because we have no more faith in you and you can count every single person applying for resettlement as your failure. Can you please leave us in peace. We dont want your politics out here anymore. Please leave us alone and start lecturing in universities…that will give u more hope cause you have already failed in politics.. With regard to NRB…you have already made us suffer in camps with the hope of taking us back to Bhutan..now since nothing worked and you have started talking about NRB…you are such a coward..dare you political parties in exile come together and elect a new head and show us…you cant even unite political parties in Nepal..who the hell are you to think that you can unite us here….what happened to the old article published in BNS…have u forgotten that….now please dont play with us anymore..By the way who are you to give us a tag of NRB? It is we resettled refugees who decide whether we want to be considered NRB or not—not failed politicians like you. We are not interested in you anymore.

  18. After the Winners and Losers, the only hope remaining is the Healing Process to begin. Dear Friends, once again may I try to clarify:
    The RGOB version of Healing Process may be argued as the onset of Democracy and concept of GNH.
    The Healing Process from Resettled Bhutanese’s side will begin with Congrssional Hearing and Truth Commission (both led by international platform: ICHRB, I hope)
    To come to a discussion level with RGOB to reconcile the two versions of Healing Process from two sides will define the formation of NRB and its mutual benefits for the country and its people both inside and outside the border. Till then, concentrate on the human rights aspects of ICHRB and help collect 100k signatures required for Congressional Hearing and Truth Commission. That will make the difference. That will win the hearts of international communities. And together we can question the Buddhist conscience of the nation, the Gross National Happiness (GNH) Vs Gross Human Rights Abuses (GHRA). In my vision for Bhutanese in exile and Bhutan, this is the best path forward that can help create democracy and genuine GNH based on the foundation of Truth, respected by the world.

    One most important point is undermined by the blind and prematured push for NRB. Those Bhutanese who have taken the citizenship of host countries have duty to abide by the constitution of that country. How can you vote for Obama here in America and fight for NRB in Nepal at the same time? It is another serious question to be asked before, the integrity of resettled Bhutanese is compromised even in the new countries. We don’t want to be looked down as trouble makers. We want to be respected as reasonable people from Southern Bhutan, hard working, dedicated and ready to move forward with hopes and dreams accepting the realities and forgiving the ones who harmed you as long as the world knows it. Time has come to view the issue more broadly as world citizens and do your duty as a conscious human being worthy of love and peace, instead of bitching of the past unable to tell own stories. The leaders have worked too hard to transform the genuine cause into hopeless cause in last 20 years, now the issue have gone far beyond the point of no return. Resettlement is the unintended consequence of your sacrifice and activities, still it is a blessing in disguise for our children. Therefore, please allow new horizons to open up for them. And don’t politicize the Human Rights cause!

    Thank you

    Dick Chhetri

  19. @Sonam Tshering & Desel Tobgay
    By changing names and hiding your identity clearly show you have not guts to say who you are and taking the advantage of the Bhutanese names. I will support Dhakal if he dares to put the true meaning of NRB in a way India, Nepal and other countries have done in the region. Putting agenda to fight democracy in Bhutan in the name of NRB has killed the true meaning of NRB before it is born.

    And Mr Dhakal how arrogant are you again is shown by replying to Nil and referring others as others and writing them Mr Karma will contact others.. You have put yourself above others, to the extent that you will never take any step to consult. WHY CANNOT YOU SAY CLEARLY NRB has different purpose than your old jargon of repatriation.
    Again, be warned if there is a registered NRB formed by others groups in consultation with Bhutan, which one you will consider as true NRB. As you have taken the advantage of doing so, so will the like minded younger generations.
    Again, you will be responsible for this mess if anything escalates out of your NRB (one way and ekkoro traffic). I have my email and phone to you, send me your in the forum and let us talk/discuss. Please don’t play with the wrong message and false hope. Don’t drag others in your agenda, make it a common universal agenda, you have still time to correct. I hope you have the ability to realise this and act with common sense.
    Parsu

  20. Glitch corrected ……!
    Dear Dr. Dhakal, I could not but thank my stars for that covetous response , that too specifically!
    But I could not really get what do you mean by ‘ view expressed by you are of minority position inside the country.……..? As you can observe in this forum that my views seem to have met majority support and this concept have met with gross vociferation for the very fact that it has simply no basis.
    Please do not be too presumptuous. Many people in Bhutan and even outside do not think that the people in the camps/resettled are Bhutanese. Either they believe that we have illegally passed their gates or bribed into being Bhutanese. Especially those who have swarmed the government recently have strong belief that we are illegal immigrants surpassing their very existence and not to an iota do they think that any thing will bounce back to them; nether would they ever sought an amicable solution if we continue behave this way. Our belief and conviction are to sloppy for them to hold any water. AND this vigorously active stratum of the administration who recently joined the RGB is the one we have to deal with in coming years. So, the first task is to prove our self as genuine Bhutanese if we want to launch a thing called NRB and make a difference.

    3rd country settlement does solve so many problems. It has been the best thing that could have ever happened to our folks. It has saved them from an agonizing life, more importantly it has saved them from the cruel clutches of our self-serving, egoistic so-called politicians. And as long as such trend continues, people are hardly going to care about agendas, justice or resolution. They do not want to stake their life yet again.
    Of course NRB could be defined in many ways but it does not mean defining in any other way will change the meaning on NON RESIDENCE OR will alter the international rules implied to it. Simply flashing the place of origin in ones TD or passport will not qualify one to be a NRB. The standard norms are to be fulfilled one being a recognition by the country of origin. The same rule applies to having a dual citizenship. Having a provision in the settling country amounts to nothing when Bhutan has not recognized you even as a legal immigrant. And Dr. Dhakal, if you just have a TD, you can just forget. Life is not easy as we have seen. Let us not be too desalinated from the practical and sensible issues and make a laughing stock of ourselves always.
    Thank you
    Nil
    London

  21. @ Dick ji,
    I find it too contradictory when you blame the King (fb) for our plight and homelessness and again immediately say ‘ the King could not forgive us’. How is he eligible for this job? If he is, it is only for a few of our leaders AND not the rest of us.Important is we have not forgiven the king and he is fully liable to ask our forgiveness.
    And what is this healing process? I find it very absurd. Sorry, if I did not understand it. If there is a best healing process, it is the TIME. Wait 20 more years the healing will have almost taken place then.

  22. You may want to read more of Dr. Dhkal here:

    NRB
    Suggestion to Reduce Suicide Cases among Resettled Bhutanese Refugees
    March 2, 2013 by admin

    The Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) reports that 20 resettled Bhutanese refugees have committed suicide since it began resettlement program five years ago. Nearly 60,000 Bhutanese refugees have resettled in the US and the number is likely to grow to 75,000 by 2015.

    Why has the land of opportunity, where others would risk death for immigration, not fulfilling for the Bhutanese refugees? This might very well be a tip of the problem that may loom large in the future.

    Bhutanese are spiritual people and the longing for spiritual life after retirement would grow stronger as days passed by. The generation that has stepped in the US in their 30s, 40s and 50s would face this problem most. Neither are they able to forget about their past connection nor are they able to fully integrate into the corporate lifeof America. This is a cultural adjustment problem.

    There is a need to give them hope that they could return someday to Bhutan, Nepal or India and the option of spending their old-age life in the cultural environment they have grown is always there. There is a need to explain that the resettlement program is a way out to overcomethe refugee stigma, and they should work hard, educate their children and earn retirement money to live a good retirement life in Bhutan, Nepal or India.

    This aspect is not talked about at the community level. There is a growing communication gap between the leadership working back in Nepal and the resettled refugees. This gap should be narrowed down. There is a need to establish a global level networking that would give them a hope of returning someday to the region where they belong to.

    Establishment of Non-Resident Bhutanese (NRB) network would give this hope to the resettled refugees. NRB should start working with the resettled refuges and begin lobbying the government of Nepal and India that the Bhutanese refugees should be given easy access to cultural resources. There is a need to accord them special status on cultural ground, giving them long-term visa and legal right to own property until their motherland welcomes them back as Non-Resident Bhutanese.

    The NRB should establish its office in Kathmandu and elsewhere in the world and start working towards this goal. There is an urgent need to reconnect the resettled refugees to their cultural base in Bhutan, Nepal or India. NRB should play that role.

  23. Parsu’s comments “ I will support Dhakal if he dares to put meaning of NRB In a way Inida, Nepal and other countries have done in the region?
    Answer: You don’t have to support Dhakal at first place. You have to support Bhutanese cause. And that support is NRB. Making NRB similar to India or Nepal or elsewhere is what our final goal. We have reached half way towards that goal and your involvement in important!

    Parsu’s comments “ Mr Dhakal”
    Answer: if you are saying Mr Dhakal, you have to add Ph.D. after it. So it will be Mr Dhakal, PhD. Please try to accept the fact that he holds doctorate degree from prestigious University and his official title is Dr Dhakal and not Mr Dhakal! Who is arrogant here??

    Parsu’s comments “Why can’t you say that NRB has different purpose than your jargon of repatriation”?
    Answer: the abbreviation NRB itself is self-explanatory! You don’t need further explanation. Yes it has purpose and that purpose is to retain Bhutanese identity by maintaining dual citizenship. Your choice of word such as “jargon of repatriation” is a direct insult to the Bhutanese cause, martyrs and Bhutanese in exile. The term repatriation is a value added term attached to our cause and not jargon!!

    Parsu’s comments “ Be warned if likeminded youth form NRB after consultation with Bhutan”
    Answer: I won’t be surprised if you initiate it. You better be warned that anybody or entity forms NRB without refugees involvement is “UNIVERSLLY UNACCEPTABLE”. Our definition of NRB is to providing justice to the refugee cause. Please take note of it seriously.

    Parsu’s comments “you will be responsible for the mess if anything escalate out of your NRB”
    Answer: Mess was created in between 1985-1992! Ask your father who was involved in those days. NRB is not a mess! Naa Naa it is not a mess. You are mistaken Dasho Parsu Sharma! You are expressing your concerns for the fact that once again refugees are gearing towards unity through NRB umbrella! Is that something bothers you???

    Parsu’s comments “don’t drag other and make it universal agenda, you have still time to correct it”
    Answer: Bhutanese cause is universal and so is its agenda. It is not a question of dragging others into it, rather providing safest route to address our cause. On the second part of your comments, you are acting like a KING of Bhutan and giving Dr Dhakal an ultimatum to back track NRB!! I don’t see rationale behind it part!!!

    Tashi Dorji
    Kathmandu

  24. NRB status is what Bhutan government can give so why the hell did Dr. Dhakal go to the Nepalese Politicians? The office as you said should not be in Kathmandu. It should be in Bhutan. If you really want us resettled refugees to be tagged as NRB…go and have a talk with the Bhutan Government. Nepal Government cant do anything. For the last 18 or so bilateral talks…Nepal could not do anything. Neither can Nepal agree to assimilate our refugees in their land..so why the hell you want to talk to powerless puppet of India? Why dont you write to the government of Bhutan. Kathmandu ma NRB ko office banayera tyaha ko ni kursi payincha ki bhanney soch ta chaina ni doctor saab ko?

  25. I think BNS has to thoroughly filter the comments. Especially when 6 years old kid like Bed comes and submits his opinion and gets it published, the immaturity and senselessness gets rewarded. This doesn’t let logical thoughts reach to the regular reader like me. Bed plg go and take a short nap babe. Ur mom most have been waiting to put you in swinging cradle as U are tough to fall asleep. Don’t make her wait long. Oh and you just started head start so you and need to read books- A for apple, B for ball ……

  26. In my opinion BNS should not filter any comments though I have known instances of BNS deleting simplest comments in the pretext of being impartial and editorial and ignoring felonious comments at the cost of the recipients.
    Discussions should be done on all levels and maximum people should be involved. This is a learning process for every body. The titles and degrees may be important but their relevance is reduced if they cannot materialize to their significance.
    Nil
    London

  27. Mr Tashi Dorji:
    First and foremost before you open up your thoughts, be very open who you are with your clear name and identity. I have given mine before and here it comes again to you.
    HOME
    Parsuram Sharma Luital (Justice of the Peace)
    133A South St Hadfield 3046
    Melbourne VICTORIA
    P: 03 9373 5295 (W) 9306 5495 (H)
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    WORK
    Parsu Sharma-Luital
    New and Emerging Communities Liaison Officer
    North West Metro Region | Victoria Police
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    Phone: 9373 5200 | direct: 9373 5295 | mobile: 0477 307 836 fax: 9373 5210
    Address: Moonee Ponds Police Station, 766 Mt Alexander Rd, Moonee Ponds 3039

    It is easy to express without identify and false name so that you can never be exposed and people who read never got to know the faceless person and identity less creature.
    BEFORE EVEN YOU BEGIN, PLEASE DO WHAT I HAVE DONE ABOVE SO EVERY ONE IN THE AUDIENCE KNOWS WHO IS TALKING WITH WHOM.

    I have tried to reply yours comments with my reply:
    Parsu’s comments “ I will support Dhakal if he dares to put meaning of NRB In a way Inida, Nepal and other countries have done in the region?
    Answer: You don’t have to support Dhakal at first place. You have to support Bhutanese cause. And that support is NRB. Making NRB similar to India or Nepal or elsewhere is what our final goal. We have reached half way towards that goal and your involvement in important!
    Parsu’s comments “ Mr Dhakal”
    Answer: if you are saying Mr Dhakal, you have to add Ph.D. after it. So it will be Mr Dhakal, PhD. Please try to accept the fact that he holds doctorate degree from prestigious University and his official title is Dr Dhakal and not Mr Dhakal! Who is arrogant here??

    PARSU’S REPLY: Writing Mr Dhakal is never an insult, the problem is your attitude towards it. (Dr Dhakal is an academic degree not related to this topic. If you go by professional designation I am a Jr Scientist by work). The mentality of writing Dr is more personal choice and not to be advocated by second person. This is called tall poppy syndrome we call in Australia, no one bothers in the western world, including Dr Dhakal, I suppose. The problem here is itchier to you than Dr Dhakal on this. Writing the connotation is not the quest here; neither am I a Dasho which you may well wish to take back for you. When you are teaching me to address correct salutation, you are falling in the same pit by addressing me with the Dasho decree.
    The proposition of supporting Dr Dhakal is on NRB context. I pity you fail to synchronise the on the flow of the subject matter. You, me or anyone, we all are supporting Bhutanese cause; the crux of the matter is the approach that has been proposed. Simple comparison: you drink wine or whisky, both intoxicate a person. But drinking wine in the whisky bottle and glass and vice-versa is perhaps is not well received, unless you do inside your home (that too is ??able in the current context). The NRB is not going to remain inside your home, it has to seek international recognition, thus need a proper term and meaning, not like drinking as said above in the glass as you wish. The context of NRB and its interchange like wine and whisky with already ongoing Bhutanese movement is sending one message that NRB is one more organisation added on top of 20 or so and making a unique cocktail.
    I can well see and anyone who understands NRB will laugh on you as you still relate NRB to fight democratic moment, repatriation and human right issues. So what is the difference of NRB to 20 or so groups formed since 1990 until now? (pl refer numbers of NRB media releases and news floated by Dr Dhakal through BNDP and in the comment put by Nil above). Is NRB, a BNDP’s pet? If not why no Bhutanese who support other groups are equally involved, Mr Tashi?
    True NRB, if formed any day in future will have equal rights of Bhutanese who are citizen of Bhutan living in US and other countries at par with resettled Bhutanese. Dr Dhakal’s equation is what I have said above and you are again dividing the Bhutanese who are from Bhutan living outside Bhutan, and Bhutanese who have been resettled after 20 years of refugee life. This NRB, you are proposing is advocating for resettled Bhutanese by alienating Bhutanese with Passport from Bhutan. The choice is if you go with current proposal, this has no scope for other Bhutanese who are living in the west but not resettled.

    Parsu’s comments “Why can’t you say that NRB has different purpose than your jargon of repatriation”?
    Answer: the abbreviation NRB itself is self-explanatory! You don’t need further explanation. Yes it has purpose and that purpose is to retain Bhutanese identity by maintaining dual citizenship. Your choice of word such as “jargon of repatriation” is a direct insult to the Bhutanese cause, martyrs and Bhutanese in exile. The term repatriation is a value added term attached to our cause and not jargon!!

    PARSU’S REPLY: I feel sorry for you Tashi on the level of your knowledge on NRB’s meaning. It reminds me of one of the Dzongkha translation by a man called Bazaguru in Bhutan who wrote a book in Dzongkha-English translation (Aula Choto (a vegetable) to CROW BEAK meaning chuchay karela). Please study the global meaning of Non Residence in relation to parent countries and relate to NRB by seeing what other countries have done and portrayed.
    Your arrogance to make your own NRB without considering what other countries have done is naivety. We have no experts and experience, we need to value and learn from others. That example can be related from the fact that Dr Dhakal was seeking wisdom from Nepali Politicians and historians (I value their input but disagree for not involving our people including Tek Nath Rizal, who simply tested Dhakal’s water by refusing once to attend this meeting, and Dr Dhakal never bothered to convince him second time. Rizal’s moral support and presence in the room was more important than his contribution. Why is Balaram Poudal, Dr Bumpa Rai and others not their? You answer this to yourself! My two cents to you, you are baby in relation to what proposed NRB is, and actual NRB is, if we live long enough to see. Keep this print and contact me when you realise the difference.
    When it comes to martyrs and movement, please read history of my own family members on line or any internationals reports and magazines. The person who bangs his toes against the stone knows the pain, not the one who sees & reads about in papers. Me and my family had banged many times our toes against the stone of Bhutanese movement and we know how it bleeds, pains and what we went through. Do you have the same contribution and history Tashi??

    Parsu’s comments “ Be warned if likeminded youth form NRB after consultation with Bhutan”
    Answer: I won’t be surprised if you initiate it. You better be warned that anybody or entity forms NRB without refugees involvement is “UNIVERSLLY UNACCEPTABLE”. Our definition of NRB is to providing justice to the refugee cause. Please take note of it seriously.

    PARSU’S REPLY: So you mean the one proposed by Dr Dhakal is universally accepted?? (by Bhutan and international audience and Diaspora??) My friends don’t axe your leg by your buncharo (tari). The whole issue is, if secret meetings like this continue to exploit the common consensus (previously through BNDP media release on NRB, read BNS on this topic) and poison (I affirm the word poison) NRB in the womb, you will be equally responsible for the disaster of creating 5 other NRBs. One thing I have learned and always believe is to stand for the right and wrong I believe in. I loud and clearly say the current NRB is not only wrong but is killing future prospect of it being recognised by RGOB by linking to current Bhutanese Movement’s advocacy issues? We have established organisations of Bhutanese and recognised institutions of international domain to carry out the work you are putting on NRB currently.

    Tashi: “Our definition of NRB is to providing justice to the refugee cause”: NRB will never ever fight the cause for justice. Justice for refugees is sought through numbers of Human Rights agencies (that has been going for 20 years) and if able to, through the international court of Justice or if Bhutan treats Diaspora as citizens, through its own justice system when the system matures, perhaps you and me are 80 plus years then.

    Parsu’s comments “you will be responsible for the mess if anything escalate out of your NRB”
    Answer: Mess was created in between 1985-1992! Ask your father who was involved in those days. NRB is not a mess! Naa Naa it is not a mess. You are mistaken Dasho Parsu Sharma! You are expressing your concerns for the fact that once again refugees are gearing towards unity through NRB umbrella! Is that something bothers you???

    PARSU’S REPLY: You are right; one more mess is added to what parties have been formed from 1985 to 1992 in 2013. That is my worry. Just get it, NRB is not the tool to fight and advocate against the RGOB. It is, and will be and should be the tool to work in partnership with mutual respect between Bhutan and Diaspora Bhutanese. Does your statement of NRB provide this opportunity? Never! Do you think that by talking against Bhutan and writing against them, you will get NRB? The bottom line is simple; you got to create the atmosphere to sit with RGOB to recognise NRB. Are you doing this? That too, by fighting democracy and repatriations in the name of NRB? For one moment, I support all others in any cause but not in the name of NRB.
    In reality NRB umbrella is dividing resettled refugees by opening another organisation with the same agenda. I AM NOT BUT YOU AND YOUR CURRENT NRB IS, MR TASHI. When one is hungry, one will go to look for food. Now people are resettling, when the time is mature, they will on their own. See OBCA and ABA, even they have not come forward yet. Why? Because they know the current time, energy, and any cent, if you have is needed to reduce the suicide rate of resettled people in US, help secure employment; promote social harmony in resettled countries.

    I would salute Dr Dhakal, if he champions these issues in the White House. This is what I needed my friend, not meeting of bunch of people in a corner room of Kathmandu. Even if you float NRB, I would respect if it comes from OBCA, ABA and many, many community groups from all the resettled countries. This is called bottom up approach in community work/engagement, Mr Tashi. Less of emotions and more of practical approach is needed with basic common sense.
    I never oppose repatriations, but does it make practical sense? Have you ever spoken to core groups of countries on this and sought their opinion? I had the privilege to do this in the last three years in Geneva, and will do again in this year in June. Thank god they don’t vomit secrets like we do in the diplomatic culture of the actions and secrets they intend to take and they are taking.

    Parsu’s comments “don’t drag other and make it universal agenda, you have still time to correct it”
    Answer: Bhutanese cause is universal and so is its agenda. It is not a question of dragging others into it, rather providing safest route to address our cause. On the second part of your comments, you are acting like a KING of Bhutan and giving Dr Dhakal an ultimatum to back track NRB!! I don’t see rationale behind it part!!!

    PARSU’S REPLY: I am not acting like a King, your mind is reading with emotions to this. I am citizen of secular country called Australia; I obey its law and contribute my tax dollar to Bhutan’s development with pride. It is not ultimatum but the positive contribution to healthy debate enabling Dr Dhakal to realise that community views on NRB are divided, fractured, distracted, mis-leaded. When all the refugees were living in the camp, Dr Dhakal did a wonderful job travelling overseas and advocating for the cause. Now when the people reached overseas, instead to being more with them, he felt comfortable to go away from these resettled people to Nepal and conduct meeting with non Bhutanese. NRB concept would have been more credible and recognised; if a media release has come from Washington DC or UN office in New York or Geneva with few Senators or similars.

    All the best and let us keep on thrashing to the end.

  28. Parsu Sharma comments “If you go by professional designation I am a Jr Scientist by work”
    Answer: Good! That means we have Jr Scientists in 100s as some of our youths in 30s and early 40s had MSc degrees from Nepal and India

    Parsu Sharma Comments “; the crux of the matter is the approach that has been proposed”
    Answer: Approach has no loophole. What is your version of approach? Can you elaborate it?

    Parsu Sharma comments “ you drink wine or whisky, both intoxicate a person” ?
    Answer: You missed the fact that wine is more sober drink than wisky and less intoxicating. NRB is a sober approach!

    Parsu Sharm comments “ The NRB is not going to remain inside your home, it has to seek international recognition”
    Answer: I agree on this. You need to know however that for a child to grow as a mature man, training starts at home followed by neighbor and the surroundings. For our NRB child, group of Bhutanese initiating it is its home; Kathmandu meeting is its neighbor; and meeting people/intellectuals around the globe is its surroundings! You, Me and all of us work togeher for international recognition.

    Parsu Sharma Comments “ as you still relate NRB to fight democratic moment, repatriation and human right issues”
    Answer: That is your version of NRB. The truth is NRB is a re-conciliatory approach. It is a bridge!!

    Parsu Sharma “ Is NRB, a BNDP’s pet”
    Answer: Calm down please! Any ideas or vision for the general good of the country and the people is not considered as pet!
    FYI: BNDP was an exit ramp from the mess ( that included your version of mess as well) created by both the ruling and the dissident parties.
    BNDP/Dr Dhakal is just floating this idea of NRB, its ownership has to be owned by the Bhutanese people; both inside and outside including you and me.
    Simple fact and take home message for you: Gramin Bikash Bank concept is not a Bangladeshi pet, Non-violence is not an Indian Pet. Everybody in the world has the rights to follow it. I hope you as a Jr. Scientist understand it.

    Parsu Comments “This NRB, you are proposing is advocating for resettled Bhutanese by alienating Bhutanese with Passport from Bhutan. The choice is if you go with current proposal, this has no scope for other Bhutanese who are living in the west but not resettled”
    Answer: This is the crux. NRB is for both resettled Bhutanese and passport holder Bhutanese!

    Parsu Sharma “Your arrogance to make your own NRB without considering what other countries have done is naivety. We have no experts and experience, we need to value and learn from others”
    Answer: Past experiments showed that revering other countries as a model for our cause is a fiasco! Our cause is unique. It is connected to demographic imbalance of a small country; it is connected to Tibetan Independence; It is connected to Rajive-Jigme good relationship Vs Rajiv-Birendra bad relationship, it is connected to Indian NE vulnerability, It is connected to Bhutan’s foreign policies and the list go on. Bhutanese refugees were made forcefully stateless; NRB will reinstate it gradually and less-forcefully.
    Naa Naa Naa you are wrong! We have an experts in plenty! Meet Jogen Gazmere in Australia for the necessary guidance!

    Parsu Sharma “involving our people including Tek Nath Rizal, Balaram Poudal, Dr Bumpa” ?
    Answer: We are on the loop all the time! You missed, however, the simple fact that steering of a Bus is control by one driver, rest only the passengers! Although, drivers could be changed over time!

    Parsu Comments “My two cents to you, you are baby in relation to what proposed NRB is, and actual NRB is, if we live long enough to see”
    Answer: You are right! And you missed important points that Babies are sincere, honest and loving. Babies do not lie.

    Parsu Sharma “The whole issue is, if secret meetings like this continue to exploit the common consensus (previously through BNDP media release on NRB, read BNS on this topic) and poison (I affirm the word poison) NRB in the womb, you will be equally responsible for the disaster of creating 5 other NRBs”
    Answer: Unless if you try puncture it (read NRB), it is not going to happen. If you start working progressively uniting Bhutanese in Australia, it will avoid that route you are highlighting.

    Parsu Sharma “ NRB will never ever fight the cause for justice. Justice for refugees is sought through numbers of Human Rights agencies”
    Answer: NRB is automatic; human right is forceful. Thus justice through NRB is easier and faster!!!
    Parsu Sharma “NRB is not the tool to fight and advocate against the RGOB. It is, and will be and should be the tool to work in partnership with mutual respect between Bhutan and Diaspora Bhutanese”
    Answer: I agree. Did I say NRB fighting against RGOB!! Naa Naa Naa…you misunderstood it. NRB is a bridge!

    Parsu Sharma “The bottom line is simple; you got to create the atmosphere to sit with RGOB to recognise NRB. Are you doing this”
    Answer: We are on our mark on this goal. Your participation is important too!

    Parsu Sharma “In reality NRB umbrella is dividing resettled refugees by opening another organisation with the same agenda?
    Answer: You misunderstood it. You are misleading others. NRB is uniting and not dividing. NRB is bridging and not breaking, NRB is conciliatory and not forceful; NRB is not a pet but a shared, NRB is for you, me and everybody and not only for Dr Dhakal!

    Parsu Sharma “I would salute Dr Dhakal, if he champions these issues in the White House. This is what I needed my friend, not meeting of bunch of people in a corner room of Kathmandu”
    Answer: I agree! Be prepared for that. That is on our pipeline!!

    Parsu Sharma “I am citizen of secular country called Australia; I obey its law and contribute my tax dollar to Bhutan’s development with pride”
    Answer: Great! You are a NRB already! Congratulation!

    Tashi Dorji
    Kathmandu

  29. TASHI! WHATEVER YOU SAY WITHOUT IDENTITY IS NOTHING MORE THAN FRAUD.
    YOUR COMMENTS DESERVE VALUE IF YOU COME CLEAN WITH YOUR IDENTITY, NOT AS FACELESS CREATURE.

    WITHOUT THIS WHAT EVER YOU WRITE ACCOUNTS TO NOTHING BUT COWARDLY ACT AND TIMID
    IF YOU ARE SO WELL CONCERNED WITH NRB AND BHUTANESE CAUSE, WHY ON EARTH YOU ARE WRITING WITHOUT IDENTITY??

    YOUR ARROGANCE IN THIS IS SEEN CLEARLY THAT YOU FAILED TO AGREE ON SHOWING YOUR IDENTITY BEFORE YOU BEGIN, THEREFORE, YOU ARE COMMENTS ARE CONSIDERED NOTHING BUT PAID FACELESS CREATURES ARGUMENT WHICH ENDS UP BEING NOTHING. If I get your identity, happy to response each and every point with logic MR Tashi.

    COME ON YOU ARE GUTSY ENOUGH, COME OUT TELL ME WHO YOU ARE IN REALITY THEN ONLY YOUR ACCOUNTED
    UNLESS YOU DO THIS YOU ARE A GHOST TO BNS THAT WILL CURSE THE WHOLE BNS AND BHUTANESE MOVEMENT
    Parsu

  30. Dear Jr. Scientist Parsu,
    I am not sure whether you a resettled refugee or a directly migrated Bhutanese to Australia? It is a good idea to discuss on any topics before going to the conclusion. Yes, Dr. Dhakal came with NRB but does not mean that his idea is cent % acceptable. Now, what would happen if you ( Jr. Scientist Parsu ) can bring more challenging and logical ideas about something different than NRB which can accommodate all the Bhutanese around the globe? Also, it would be highly appreciable if your vision will be disseminated among the Bhutanese youths throughout the world.

  31. Bhutanese refugee issue is a complex issue inhirited from the history. Solving it once and for all wont be piece of cake. Younger generation must shoulder its responsibilities. For that NRB initiative might be an sound alternative. I like the idea of NRB

    Sandeep Chhetri
    Kolkota, India

  32. Lu NRB ko naam ma dui sadhey haru judhna thalecha abo pheri..jabo yesto kura ma ta milna sakdaina….afaile nikkai jandachu ani positive debate gari rako chu thando hola ni dui bhakambhusey haru…badhai cha hai mitra ho..parum parum ajhai…india le bhutan ko kaan ma rajiv gandhi ko pala ma hawa lagauney huda dui soch huda hami khedina paryo…abo sansar ma fijida jhan afai afai mai kasaile hawa nalagai yesto chau…k akatrit huney kura garchaum hou hami

  33. CORRECTION:
    DUE TO BNS ASKING FOR LOG IN ( PLEASE READ PARSU AS Luitalparsu, I am the same person)

    To Bed and Tashi Dorji,
    YOU ARE BLACK MAILING BNS AND THE DEBATE BY HIDING YOUR IDENTITY and MAKING FACELESS CLAIMS.

    HOW CAN YOUR COMMENTS BE CONSIDERED IF:
    NO ONE KNOWS YOUR NAMES,
    NO ONE KNOWS IF YOU ARE BHUTANESE OR NOT,
    NO ONE KNOW WHERE ARE YOU FROM-BHUTAN, INDIA, NEPAL, OR …..
    NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS YOUR PROFILE/STATUS IN RELATION TO THE NRB AND BHUTAN
    YOU HIDE YOUR IDENTITY AND COME AS FACELESS IDENTITY

    YOUR TIMIDITY AND COWARDLINESS IS CLEAR ENOUGH THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO REFUTE ME ON PERSONALLY RATHER THAN ON THE TOPIC. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS AS THE READERS WILL JUDGE HOW TWO FACELESS MAN ARE TARGETING PERSON WITH CLEAR IDENTITY.

    IF YOU ARE SO TIMID TO TELL WHO YOU ARE, I AND EVERYONE WILL WONDER WHAT YOU WILL DO FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR LIVING, LET ALONE NRB AND BHUTANESE MOVEMENT (DO YOU GO TO WORK COVERING ALL YOUR FACE AND ATTIRE OR IN GHOSTLY PRESENCE?).
    TO WORK FOR ANYONE AND ANYWHERE AND NRB, YOU NEED IDENTITY, CHARACTER AND TO BE KNOWN BY ALL AND BE TRUSTED. SO WHERE ARE YOU AND YOUR CREDENTIALS??/ FACELESS CREATURE? OR WHAT IS YOUR STATUS?

    Now with the Jr Scientist issue. Yes, there are many many Masters degree holders. Those who come to Australia know where we land up with these qualifications. In Australia everyone know how many degrees and Ph.Ds you are referring are driving Taxis, and running other businesses. It looks to me how naive you are with the western system, particularly in Australia.
    When it come to me, To be mentioned Jr Scientist, mere master degree (from university of Melbourne) is not that all you think wisely, it needs far more than that. Thank god your mind set is just limited to that and no more.
    If you know that much about me, you should also know that:
    what research involves my work and area; how many masters students from Melbourne University I have supervised and reflects my research in their thesis. What other research are involved in my work. How many articles in magazines, newspapers, TVs, and what book is there on the topic, and what impact on rural Australian farmers have my research work contributed and what projects going on. Let me tell you, you don’t have to know this and recognise. I am honoured and contended that Australian government and community has recognised me at the highest level and I don’t need your judgement on this as my country and its public have done loud and open.

    To the questions, of type of NRB we need to have or you want me to elaborate, if you read all may comments line by line, and if you have power to understand and analyse, it is all there. You can find more on Dr Dhakal’s previous media release of BNDP on NRB where there are many comments from em and others.

    BUT ANYTHING THAT IS INTENDED TO COME HAS TO COME WITH YOUR NAME AND IDENTITY, OTHERWISE YOU ARE A TROUBLE TO THE WHOLE NRB AND BHUTANESE MOVEMENT.

    WHAT CAN A FACELESS IDENTITY DO FOR HIMSELF, LET ALONE NRB AND BHUTANESE CAUSE MR TASHI DORJI AND BED (WHICH PART OF ETHNIC GROUPS IN BHUTAN HAS NAME STARTING BED?) INTERESTING TO KNOW.
    KEEP ROLLING GUYS, I AM THERE TO THE LAST MOMENT TO ENSURE THAT VESTED INTEREST AND EMOTIONAL/EGOIST DO NOT MISLEAD THE ONE MORE TIME THE INNOCENT BHUTANESE IN EXILE.
    Parsu

  34. Dr.Dhakaal,please try to bring into practice-dare to sacrifice rather than sitting round table.Every international forum accepting Bhutan Young Democracy.This the right time to struggle and disturb Bhutanese,one way democracy-go ahead,and show your talent.”time and tides wait for no one” Thanks!

  35. Exploring ideas on NRB formation is a good start. There are always pros and cons but constructive critics are always beneficial.Blaming each other and demoralizing individuals through comments with hidden identity may not help functioning better in future if established. Let us put thoughts together on:
    1. How does NRB work?
    2. Who does it represent?
    3. Why do we need NRB?
    4. Who would be benefited if formed?
    5. What does NRB do?
    6. How does it form?
    Let us be optimistic, share thoughts and have debates.

    Budha Rimal
    USA