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Community leaders highlight various issues in Refugee Congress

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Bhutanese community leaders participating in a four day Consultative and Refugee Congress conference organized by the Department of Health and Human Service, Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) in partnership with the UNHCR, US from August 1-4 in Washington DC, have highlighted various issues concerning resettlement.

A report received late says that more than 20 Bhutanese community leaders representing all the ethnic refugees from various states participated in the ORR conference where 1000 plus people participated from various sectors- policy makers, state department reps, senators and congressmen, resettlement agencies’ directors/case workers.

Some faces of the Bhutanese participants of the Refugee Congress.

Tika Acharya from New Hampshire, Department of Health and Human Service- Office of Minority Health and Refugee Affairs stressed on the need of customized post resettlement program and requested ORR to arrange services on vocational training, higher education, recognition of credentials and experiences of refugee professionals.

Hari Niroula from Seattle, Washington spoke on the need of driving education to all newly arrived refugees in their native languages.

Kumar Gurung from LIRS, Omha, Nebraska spoke on the insufficient Refugee Cash Assistance program and requested ORR to provide minimum required cash assistance on case-to-case basis until refugee become economically self-sufficient.

Ghana Dulal from Utha spoke on the need of early citizenship classes and exceptions criteria on citizenship interview to those who are disable and elderly.

Chabi Neopaney from South Dakota stressed on the need of services relating to refugee’s rich culture, heritage and belief and asked for possible support from funders to make an arrangement of such services in the resettlement site to keep refugees socially and emotionally healthy.

Meanwhile, Damainty Kathet from Arizona focused on need of compressive English as Second Language learning program to be designed and delivered in culturally effective manner.

Dhan Khatiwada from Michigan presented a video highlighting the expectations of refugees in US.

Further, Khem Khadka from North Carolina, Tek Darnal from Chicago joined the above group for two days long UNHCR Refugee Congress held during August 3-4. At least 60 Refugee leaders from all 50 States participated in this congress and took part to prepare UNHCR proclamations for 2011-2012, which included formation of Refugee Advisory Council of US.

At least one refugee will be selected from each state every year to attend the congress of Council in US. The idea behind this council is to listen to the voices of refugee from all states in decision-making process annually.

Delegates were also given an opportunity to meet personally with their respective states senators and congressmen to discuss about the effective resettlement process in the states.

Meantime, those Bhutanese participating in the Congress also had an opportunity to meet with the Head of the UNHCR, US and discussed the issues of delayed application process in the UNHCR and International Organisation for Migration.

58 COMMENTS

  1. Good job and congratulation for highlighting various issues related to resettlement. It is a wonderful idea and really impressive to see ‘Kumar” with traditional dress of Bhutanese. If some one had raised current issues on suicidal cases of Bhutanese, it would have been worthwhile. I think it is better to show what we want to do rather than to show what we expect from others. Also, has some one raised issues on Medicaid? It would have been more fruitful if participants could share websites for direct contact via e-mail and contact number of ORR office. Let our people talk on their issues sometimes by themselves. Thanks to participants for providing information about current issues of resettled Bhutanese. Mean while there is possibility of older generation becoming depressed if every time we talk about English classes. English classes should be easygoing for elder people. Everywhere and every-time we talk on our problems. We seldom talk on our achievements. WE need to present something that we have achieved so far till the date. Younger generation have started going to college and schools. They are trying their best to compete with highly modernized techniques and tools to fulfill their ambitions. It is really a big achievement. Almost all people are taking classes as per their level of understanding. When we talk on education, we need to be clear about the requirements set by schools. Until and unless we fulfill these requirements, no one can help us. Let us know the requirements on education. We don’t have culture of sharing things with others. Let us learn to help on each other and in case if we fail, we will ask help . It is unfortunate not to see all participants from every states. To make suggestions is easier but to make things in action is difficult. For example, it is just voguish if i suggest and do nothing myself. What about Texas? were there no participants from this state? If the community leaders(TX) miss this opportunity, it is their carelessness because most of Bhutanese population are resettled in this state.

  2. Yes,extensive discussion session was arranged upon request regarding the suicidal issues and a team of expert from ORR,ACF and DPH were appraised in detail about the causes and possible sollutions. All the representatives including Texas participated in this session and raised voices.Comment on Refugee Medicaid Assistance program was made and a recommendation was provided in Policy Framing session to extend RMA until 2014 hoping that new bill of free insurance for low income population will be effective from 2014.Finger crossed but team really advocated in DC.
    Only few people were given chance to speak in Plenary session but all participated in different workshops and managed to make recommendations.
    ORR links: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/whatsnew/ORR_2011_National_Consultation.htm

    http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/

  3. Congratulation guys! but I am wondering- Did you ever mentioned about those refugees in the Camp who are still willing to get back to their Country (Bhutan). Nice, you advocate for those in USA, but having the chance to speak in this conference it will far more better if you all have raise the voice on the issue of Bhutanese in Camp too. Hope you will take it positively.

  4. Great Job!!!

    Congralutation to all the delegates for attending CRCC who representated all the Bhutanese residing all over US.It looks like you have highlighted the most of the burning issues.

    We would like to hear the version from UNHCR, US government representatives and all the distinguished paricipants on the those highlighted issues.
    What were their recommendations on such issue?.
    I think we need to create a channel to disseminate the informations in every state what had happened in the conference.
    Let us make a trend to interact each other.It might be a fault on everyone where we don’t have any tradition to interact on any issue.
    Anyway I would be greatly appreciate if you could either anyone send me via e-mail

    Thanks
    Bhupati Pradhan
    Cleveland Ohio.

  5. Great job done by Bhutanese leaders who attended the conference giving productive suggestion for further resettling the refugees in the United States. Everyone raised the voice of bhutanese facing the difficulties and problems of cash assistance, medicaid etc. It would be great if someone from the leaders raised the question about the “MORATORIUM “and get the answer about stop bringing refugees. Mayor of Manchester, NH has been started advocating moratorium of refugee which would be impacted to refugees who are still in camps spending terrible life. Today NH starting tomorrow Other states will take part to advocate Moratorium which be having problem in resettling refugees. I think no one has put mind on this topic in the conference. It is serious issues and will be in future. I think we have to have one voice to stop moratorium….

  6. Really Great
    It is really great thing and i being bhutanese is really happy to listen that Bhutanese do show up in ORR conference. Would it be really great if the news too had focused on what the ORR fellow said in the conferance also. Mr tika acharya and hari niroula and other fellows speech seems to be really great as it was in favour of our community. Great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. Good Job folks!
    It was also a great privilege to go DC,see White house and Advocate Resettled Bhutanese in America.Hopefully, the resettled Bhutanese and new arrivals will get more cash until they become self sufficient.Leaders with only one Bhutanese dress wouldn’t have violated the Driglam Namza? Were there anyone representing OBCA and ABA at this consultation?
    Unfortunately,the Ex-Camp secretaries did not get any opportunity to advocate the Camps’ issue in this Consultation.Was it so because they did get interpreter to highlight the issues?

  8. Dear Friends,
    At the end of the REFUGEE CONGRESS session on Wednesday, we were asked to attend the workshop groups to report back to the Refugee Congress with one recommendation based on the discussions during the meetings. The four recommendations brought up by the four workshop groups will then be added to the final Proclamation of the Refugee Congress. This final Proclamation will then be given to each delegate on Thursday morning so we may share it during our Congressional visits to Senators and the Congress Men.

    Damainty Kathet from Arizona and myself (Kumar Gurung) from Nebraska were in the Workshop D: Refugee Voice in the United States : Beyond the Refugee Congress
    The workshop focus will address opportunities on how refugee voices can influence governments and the international community in the future to address resettlement and protection. This Refugee Congress is one way to bring together refugees in the US . How else could this be done better or differently in the future? How does what is done here at the Refugee Congress translate into being engaged after the Congress? How do we ensure fairness, balance and inclusiveness?

    We put forward the following issues:
    There are many families receiving the cash assistance lesser than their monthly expenditure. For example, the total monthly cash assistance a Nepal family receives in Nebraska is $360 from the Dept. of Health and Human Services. However, just the rent of the apartment the family lives is $550. Where does this family pay OPPD, MUD and other non-food items from?

    Delayed food stamp, cash assistance and Medicaid. Six families arrived after 13th July 2011 haven’t received their food Stamps, cash Assistance and Medicaid. Whose fault? A lot of social workers do not understand what the refugee is and delays the process of application. Is there any way that certain number of social workers at DHHS be trained on refugee cases and specify them with refugee cases only?

    The series of suicide cases: In the last two 2 years, 13 Bhutanese refugees are officially recorded suicide in America. The reasons are assumed to be cultural and religious invasion, Mental Health issues, domestic violence and unemployment problems. I disclose the secrets that already 4 Bhutanese have spoken at different times to commit suicide in Nebraska. Lately, we had an emergency meeting on 07/28/2011 at Lutheran Family Services of Nebraska office with a family for suicide threatening. In my survey, out of four, the reason behind two was religion issue; one was unemployment issue and the other domestic violence.

    Unemployment has become one of the most frustrating problems. People are depressed, rising blood pressure, continuous headache, sleeplessness, loss of appetite, drinking, smoking and suicide threat are definitely the results of bills’ burden. The problems I believe can be fixed permanently by creating enough employment opportunities to the refugee population and temporarily by the doctors. In my observation in the period of 45 days, the agency could find job for only one client out of more than 50 in the unemployed list.

    Family Separation has been one of the major problems in the process of refugee resettlement. Old, sick and incapable couples are being left back in the camp. They have no one to give water, medication and take them to the hospitals during emergencies. The friends and the relative supposed to be taking care for them are for some reasons unable to do it. On the other hand, there are families resettled in America whose able and employable family members are left behind in the camp. The family in America is neither eligible for SSI nor able to find jobs. Such families have a very big burden of bills which might lead to family frustration, depression and finally commit suicide.

    Besides the above topics, we also put forward the discussions on eviction notices to the refugee families for not paying the rent, inter-state migration, language barrier, transportation problems, communication means, ESL, Citizenship issues etc…The consequence of the discussion on the above issues finally brought up an idea of forming “Refugee Advisory and Advocacy Councils” at city, state and national levels in order to reach the voices of refugees and Asylees to the concerned authorities and the policy makers at different levels in the United States.

    On my Congressional visit, I submitted the PROCLAIMATON of the Refugee Congress and thanked the Senator and Congress Representative of Nebraska for passing the bills on refugee supportive agenda and for sanctioning a very good budget every year for the refugees in US and around the world. I also appealed them to resettle more number of refugees in America respecting their rights to repatriate to their original homestead. They were very eager to listen to my refugee story. I spent about 40 minutes each with them.

    Other five Bhutanese delegates attended the following workshops:

    Workshop A: Pre-Departure and Initial Resettlement
    The workshop participants will discuss (a) pre-departure issues, i.e, before refugees arrive in the U.S. , such as location selection/placement for resettlement, cultural orientation, and English language training and whether this is sufficient; and (b) the initial resettlement for the first three months, and whether existing services for new arriving refugees are sufficient. Based on personal experience, what works well, and what could be improved? What is the role of already resettled refugees in helping newcomers before they arrive?

    Workshop B: Social, Economic & Cultural Integration: Pathways to Independence
    The workshop participants will discuss what happens to refugees and asylees after the initial three months of resettlement/recognition of refugee status, refugees’ expectations to achieve social, economic and cultural integration, and the challenges that refugees encounter on the road to becoming independent. How can we specifically help refugees to better adapt to their new communities, and their new communities to adapt to refugees? Participants are asked to draw upon their past experiences, insights, and current work experience for this discussion.

    Workshop C: Support & Protection for Refugees Outside the United States
    Workshop participants will explore how resettled refugees can contribute to improving or enhancing the protection and assistance for refugees living either in camps or in urban areas in the countries where they are seeking asylum, or when they are seeking voluntary return or local integration. What can be done to ensure that refugees continue to have access to asylum, and can cross borders? What can we (UNHCR, governments, society, refugees) do in the United States and abroad to address these issues?

    Kumar Gurung
    Nebraska

  9. Hello Kumar sir,
    Thank you so much for describing the event in details. I am so glad to know that you are working hard to highlight the issues of our people in the USA.The problems you have raised are all realistic and must be addressed soon . Otherwise, such problems keep on continuing . I am always in your support as you have been working tirelessly for the social welfare of our people.

    Thank you!

  10. Who is this person in Gho and kamney? Is he trying to promote Driglam Namzha? I am sure everyone knows that it was because of this dress that one sixth of the southern Bhutanese of ethnic Nepalese origin were made homeless and stateless, so wearing this dress gives everyone a different picture or impression. I think this sort of hypocricy should be stopped and pretend doing something you don’t believe in.

  11. The Dc meet might have gone well. Good job. But why should one of the representatives show up himself in this dress hated by all? This was (the gho factor) one of the reasons why so many have to suffer for so long. I know people are free to choose what they want to wear, but bookhu….? The good work done by these representatives, including the one in Bookhu, had a bad ending simply because the Gho stinks.

  12. Isn’t that ironic? The very people who hated the national dress, burnt them down and revolted against the country, now dresses up to show that they actually cared for the dress. I believe the poster above who identified himself as Gurung is the one in Gho. He is beating his own trumpet, just to bring his name into limelight in the refugee community. This has been the issue in Nepal, which prolonged your stay in Nepal as refugee -the leaders giving false promises and milking in your name. In essence he hasn’t achieved anything.

  13. First of all who are the leaders ? Who make them leaders ? this is the question for the person who published this information.If some body wants to advocate for benefits of the refugee i salute him/her. I can tolerate this kind of misleading information. If they think that they are the leader of the community ,i strongly disagree with them that they are senseless fox who still following the trend of our past brainless leader. I salute once again ,if they are the representative from the bhutanese refugee. THe man in the bhutanese dress should be kicked out from the community who still show the image of brutal monarchy of Bhutan. We left country because of the that particular uniform that was the beginning issue, the person who dose not know why we are refugee ,plz plz , do not represent this kind of program. Do not try to be a leader to mislead the community once again. Try to understand yourself guys .Keep our time in creative works then going back to the same tradition.Let us learn and have two and fro thinking before you do some thing .I am really upset with the picture in that uniform and with exaggeration related with the same.Now we are in most developed country of the world .Try to most homework ahead of time to do good the community.Do be respectful man by doing the work not throwing the words.

  14. Mr. Gurung needs to understand the world not Nebraska’s Bhutanese and employer agency LSS. ORR and refugee voice is not for begging money. It is to create a more realistic and congenial environment to live with. This ORR convention was not the first time and but, Gurung’s delegation obviously yeah!, for the first time to see ORR. Every stakeholder felt that Bhutanese delegation is more complaining delegation for their benefits rather presenting the general issue on their behalf. Let us feel ourselves why we are/were resettled in the third countries. Is it to get more benefits? More cash? More job opportunities? More education? Free apartment? Free home? Free food stamps and more medicaid? to remove our refugee tag? Or to protect/overcome our vulnerability? Folks, we need to strive hard to grow in this country in order to compete with other. ORR listens what and how we do better than before? By the way Gurung’s Gho is a sign of embarrassment in this site, best thing is take off this picture and put back the Gurung’s picture with IOM bag.
    Bhuwan Chhetri
    USA

  15. Well, it’s good to read that Bhutanese in America are striving towards serving the Bhutanese community. As quite a few have put above – I would like to stress on the gentleman with kho and kabney. Unless you were attending a fancy dress competition, I don’t see a reason why you would take the world’s most ludicrous cloth to American – keep aside wearing on such occasion. You might either be a psychopath or very naïve as to not know the implication such foolish act of yours can bring on the minds of thousands of Bhutanese who have been victims of the cruel people who but ONLY wear that cloth (you know who I mean). The other chap I know of such two faced behaviour is Parshu Luitel in Australia!
    As someone has asked you – can you explain please? Although having said that – u have your own right to decide what to wear or what not to wear but not in such public occasions where you are representing the Bhutanese community- other than that I appreciate the good work you are involved in.

  16. Good job by the Bhutanese leaders ! I think it should not end up here. You all have to do aggressive follow up. Do update and keep regular contact with those people whom you met during the conference, and especially those who have shown interest on hearing your presentations. Lets all take this a good beginning and let this continue in the interest of justice to the Bhutanese people in all parts of the world.

    To those who are raising the issue of national dress and national identity, I think they are completely ignorance about its importance. There is no answer for you people, who do not understand the value of national identity, which is main reason for you guys to continue facing the identity crisis. I think, Kumar Gurung did great by participating the conference on the national dress. Keep it up!

  17. Well done!! But, I really don’t understand why this man wore gho in there . Hey!! little shameless chap !!(up there in the pic!!)did u forget why you and many of your fellows left Bhutan in the early 90s?.
    (LA,Calif.)

  18. Quote – “For example, the total monthly cash assistance a Nepal family receives in Nebraska is $360 from the Dept. of Health and Human Services”.(Unquote)

    Querry – The ‘Nepal family’ receiving goverment money, obviously as a refugee easily evokes sensitivity. A serious confusion germinates.

    Kumar Bhai, I think, you need to clarify who these people are; for the benefit of all readers.

    Are they Bhutanese (of Nepali speaking origin)?
    Are they Nepalese (citizens of Nepal)
    Are they some one who just belong to the ‘Nepal’ clan(Like Madhav Kumar ‘Nepal’)?

    Great work at the ORR.

    The opinions on the ‘Gho’ that some commentators have expressed are perceptions; you are entitled to have one of your own. Appreciated.

    Rp Subba.

  19. Dear Friends,
    1. America respects diversity and the personal freedom as the fundamental tenets of democracy. If you want to be a part of it respect that and learn not to complain of a Bhutanese wearing national dress Gho. You too should wear it at least twice in a year: once on the national day of Bhutan and once on the world refugee day as I do, because I am a Bhutanese and I respect the national dress, culture and tradition. I am opposed to being imposed because I have my own cultural heritage. I condemn the burning of the national dress in 1990s though I understand that the passion was running high under those chaotic circumstances when many became victims of political manipulations. But, after years of reflection, you can come back to the senses, realize your mistakes and start anew with respect and tolerance: become the change you want to see. Teach your children the lessons you learn in life, otherwise they will be a misfit in America.
    2. First of all these volunteers have spent their time, money and made contribution of their skills to the service of the community. Therefore, recognize them, don’t blame or attack them. They are not trying to become your political bosses. Do not politicize these social issues.
    3. We should be grateful for the government help at the initial stage of struggles. But slowly we should find our own foothold in the new found land of opportunity. Remember it was in America that President JFK said, “ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country”. If you think you are on the pathway to become Bhutanese-American, think of this great leader and listen to his advice.
    4. Also be realistic and make your difficulties known to the agencies in a positive manner. Think of community prestige and do not complain too much. Ours is a very industrious, intelligent community that can certainly contribute to the nation rather than becoming a burden. Be aware of the programs that incentivize you to do nothing! Thus Bhuwan Chhetri’s questions above have reasons. Please do not drag this subject into nonsensical catfight. Rather invest your time and energy in something positive.
    Thank you
    Dick Chhetri

  20. Thank you to those who have positive thoughts and also thanks to those who always gives negative comments.At least they are informative of the issues and concerns and steps being taken to support the refugee population. I believe non of the participants intended to be political leaders. Please do understand the meaning of leaders in American sense not in a Nepali sense. WE represented not only Bhutanese but all the refugee communities in the state and we were so impressed when we were introduced to the other leaders as the ‘The Most Organised Refugee Community’. We raised common issues and concerns and we did not complain but raised the issues and gave suggestions for better implementation of the programs and existing benefits and we would definitely follow up. Everyone has the right to chose and wear the dress he/she likes not only dress we have every right here in America. It is not the Bakhu or Keera that evicted us from Bhutan. It is the government. So I feel rather than giving unrealistic comments and blaming the social workers, do provide with positive suggestions and solutions.

    Thank you

  21. Dear R.P Daju,
    I’m writing to clarify who the Nepal Family is. This is a Bhutanese family of four from Sanischare Camp. PA is Dilli Ram Nepal. Nepal is Dilli’s last name. He has a wife and two little daughters. Fortunately, his crisis is solved this week. Still we have six families under pressure with the same kinds of Problem. And I’m working very hard to fix their problems too for being Case Manager of a refugee resettlement agency and a responsible community member.
    With regard to my dress code during 2 days ORR consultation and the two days Refugee Congress organized by the UN regional headquarter for the first time in the history of America, I’ll come up with my opinion shortly to best answer the concern of Deepak Adhakari one of the commentators above. Thank you all my friend commentators for letting me an opportunity to learn the sentiments, attitudes and the loyalty towards Bhutan of the Bhutanese resettled across the world.
    Thank You

    Kumar Gurung
    Nebraska

  22. Kumar Jee,
    I have been intimately examining your activities in Nebraska and of course countrywide. It’s all praise worthy. My anxiety in the preceding comment is just to make aware our people what the nationality is and its importance. Are we really Bhutanese? When Deo Datta from Georgia claimed to be Bhutanese Nepalis, there was a worldwide protestation. And now when Kumar Gurung dressed in Bakhu and Kabney, there seemed to be the same tempo of objection. Who are we actually? What nationality do we belong to? He didn’t go in Daura-Sural-Dhaka-Topi which is Nepalese national dress, or in Indian national dress. He wore Bhutanese National dress and proved that Bhutanese refugees still love their mother land. I believe, wearing Bakhu is far better than holding a Nepalese flag. It’s a kind of threat and lesson to the govt. of Bhutan. If we want to claim to be Bhutanese, please value the values of Bhutan and Bhutanese populace sprinkled around the globe.
    Well done Kumar Jee. Keep it up. The debate will take your side in conclusion.

    Deepak Adhakari

  23. Kumar Gurung,

    There are other ways of explaning Nepal. RP hasn’t asked the name of the Nepal. The question was his nationality.
    You shouldn’t have used his name to explain the case.
    Do you know what the policy of your employer is on the personal information? Do you know what personal privacy? How could you be a leader with such a poor attitude.

  24. Tom Jee,
    Mr. Nepal has authorized me to share his personal information in written. I got him signed this paper before I spoke to a reporter of “Omaha World Harold”, the famous news media of Omaha in June 2011 on his behalf. The letter still has the validity. I am dealing his case as a community volunteer; not as a Case Manager. He was my client one year ago. Other six families are still my clients so I need to follow the policy of my employer on their personal information.
    Mr. Tome, please address me as a community volunteer, not as a leader. Leadership is not my interest of life but to serve the poor and the needy is everybody’s obligation.

    Kumar Gurung
    Nebraska

  25. Dear Friends,

    There are good comments going, negative and positive both. As of Mr. Kumar dress code, there is nothing to make this a big issue after all we are Bhutanese and the gho is one of the cultural costumes of Bhutan. It is does not necessarily mean that we should not wear gho and kira and wear only daura suruwal. We always represent ourself as Bhutanese and no matter what we represent ourself on, because the dress code are used to represent the culture and gho is that costume which is used in some of the regions in Bhutan. We are free to choose any type of clothes to put on, unless it is imposed. We only hate gho and kira because it was imposed to wear especially in Southern Bhutan. But now, it depends upon the interest of an individual: what would you like to wear in different occassions.

    Will we be surprised if someone from Eastern and Northern Bhutan wear daura suruwal?

    People often put questions when some of the freinds around the world put gho and kira. But to my understanding it has been only worn to show what are the different cultural costumes that the people wear in different regions of Bhutan. This come on our way of doing davocacy of our cause. So, if we think this way it is simple, still we can wait how Mr.Kumar feels.

    Moreover, it has been further clarified by Mr.Deepak Adhikari in his latest comment.

    To the commen Mr. Tom’How could you be a leader with such a poor attitude?’, looks bit offensive judging someone to have said the attitude is poor. Yes there are privacy issue that comes in the West before you disclose any of the personal information about someone. But it looks bit rude saying someone’s attitude is poor keeping one’s as a rich or whatever it may be.

    Sorry, I am offensive again!

  26. Sushil Niroula Jee,
    It’s a wonderful judgment. Tom needs to learn a lot from your comment. Tom’s way of approach proves himself to be of self boasting nature. Kumar Jee’s justification to Tom’s concern demonstrates that the wise men are always protected before they act or speak to. Tom must have thought of Kumar Jee’s defensive measures before he disclosed Mr. Nepal’s personal information, if Tom thinks he is wiser than Kumar.

    I’m sorry Tom. You need to improve your attitude before commenting to other’s attitude. What evidence you have for Kumar having so poor attitude? Do you know what penalty you bear if Kumar Jee sues you for defaming his dignity and honor publicly? Let’s improve. Let’s change our mentality. Let’s be constructive and more legal.

    Deepak Adhakari

  27. Sorry guys I couldn’t keep my hands off the key board after reading the reactions that followed my comments. Let’s take it one at a time. Nationality and identity crisis- Monlam Tashi needs to understand what nationality is. By wearing a gho you will lose you identity rather than preserve it. Give me one reason you are related to gho (unless you are a northern Bhutanese). For your information nationality has nothing to do with your national dress. There are millions of Americans with different nationalities and they don’t wear their national dress to portray their identity. That gho is one of the main reasons of the Bhutanese crisis. I can clearly show that you have the identify crisis because you don’t know where you belong to. You have been kicked out of your country by the very people who enforced this dress code not because it benefited or preserved the culture of Bhutan but because they wanted to rule you under their dress.
    And to Dick chettri if you are a true Bhutanese and respect the national dress why are you in America? I will not be surprised to hear praises from you for the national language Dzongkha – Apai guto- jack fruit or papaya you decide if you have the knack!
    If you are that patriotic then go back to Bhutan – the Bhutanese government loves people who are ready to suffocate inside that absurdly comical dress and be led by the nose. No wonder your reasoning is like your first name! Burning gho wasn’t a mistake rather it was the rightful act. Garganda was a mistake, forcing people out of the country promising them democracy within weeks was a mistake. Threatening people to donate money was a mistake, reading pages out of Subas Chandra Bose’s and Mathma Gandhi’s autobiographies by some thick headed political leaders to mislead the innocent people was a mistake. Playing with people’s emotions in the refugee camps by self-made netas was a mistake!
    Dear Ghana Shyam -it is the Bakhu and kera that that led to the ultimate chaos in Bhutan
    Dipak Adhikari your comments are like –once you are at the top you forgot the first step of the ladder you stepped on. The country that gave you shelter when you needed the most, the country that gave birth to your ancestors, the country that your mother tongue originated in and the country you proudly go on pilgrimages is but NEPAL- yet you have such sour feeling towards it! I would rather hold a Nepalese flag than a Bhutanese flag (which belongs to a country that has given nothing but hardship and contempt.)
    Susil Nirola – you talk about culture – you could be Bhutanese but gho may not necessarily come under your culture please learn to distinguish between such simple things.
    Tom – you reflect your name as the thickest reader of BNS- I can only see a big attitude on your head.
    Finally – kumar and company your service is highly appreciated – I have nothing against kumar personally but feel that there should be a clear distinction between gho, nationality and the circumstances you are in. I am sure you will think it twice next time. Keep up the commitment and please don’t feel bad because it’s not about you.
    Expect more from me – I am in a bit of a rush at the moment 

  28. Hello SB Sangrila,
    How old were you during 1980s? Were you in Nepal or Bhutan? Are you Nepalese or Bhutanese? Have you ever opened the pages of Politics? Have you heard what human rights is? What is the nationality? Don’t you have any feelings towards your motherland if you are a Bhutanese? Do you think Gho is the reason for eviction? Why do you want to prove yourself as a newly born baby in the Bhutanese politics? Is it the reason that you are holding Nepalese flag? Sorry SB Sangrila for being so ignorance. You need to learn 20 years back history of Bhutan please!!!The reason of eviction was not Gho in reality!!!!

  29. Hi Harka
    May be not for you, you might have chosen to leave the country just for fun- bakhu was one of the many reasons why I and many fellow Bhutanese had to leave Bhutan, and talk about age- if you are the old grand dad of politic and have understood like you have mentioned above then I am glad that I know more politics than you do because I live in a practical world.
    Read between the lines above once again- I haven’t shown any resentment against Bhutan. Knowledge and age are two separate things. I hope you are not one of those Garganday chaps.
    NB – Now I thank Kumar for wearing the ugly (sorry) Bakhu- it has brought some good arguments.

  30. Dear Harka Jee
    May be your political game was different at that time but in the real ground,one of the reasons of victimization was this ugly dress. I am quite concern on your argument that you stated about the motherland. Are you in motherland USA or in motherland Nepal or motherland Bhutan? What can you do if you have feeling towards your motherland? Still more than 50 thousands people are ready to leave the refugee camps. Can your politics/feeling take back to their motherland? Mr Subba Jee your feeling and politics will not work now.It is quite late. If you send any one of the Bhutanese back to Bhutan using your insane politics and feeling, I will be the second person to go after him.

  31. SB Sangrila,
    Please read these two statements you wrote in two different comments:
    1. “The country that gave you shelter when you needed the most, the country that gave birth to your ancestors, the country that your mother tongue originated in and the country you proudly go on pilgrimages is but NEPAL- yet you have such sour feeling towards it! I would rather hold a Nepalese flag than a Bhutanese flag”

    2. “Read between the lines above once again- I haven’t shown any resentment against Bhutan”

    You are not clear of yourself. Above Statements pronounce that you are contradicting to yourself. In place of the second statement, you’d have written as “I am a Nepalese”.

    And Bhuwan,
    A very few Nepalese have gone to America to fulfill their dream of life through resettlement. Probably 98% of the resettled are Bhutanese and went to America as their ultimate option for now. The Bhutanese political agenda is rather strengthened through the process of resettlement than being in the camp. We are today able to voice against the govt of Bhutan from around the world. It’s ten times effective than voicing from the refugee camp dear. Our people are learning the world’s most advanced politics in their respective resettled countries. Once they are done and get united for our political agenda, it will definitely take us to our final destination Bhutan, If this 98% is supposed to be one hundred thousand population and wish to contribute a dollar each every month,. Then, Bhutan’ll have no options left.
    Bhuwan, my feelings and politics will now start to work. It didn’t work when the refugees were in the camp. We are on time. It’s not late..
    To make clearer, persons like SB Sangrila will not have room in this hundred thousand Bhutanese population.

    Harka

  32. You can say that again Bhuwan. This is the state of our so called old granddad of Bhutanese politics -who yet don’t know what the main reasons of the Bhutanese refugee crisis were. Harka must be as bright as a button in terms of Bhutanese politics. I can see now people are realising the way they were misled by such thick headed netas and they are rightly cheesed off. Harka’s feeling towards Bhutan is nothing but a superficial concept that he carries in order to pacify himself that he knows Bhutanese politics. Wake up and start living in a real world or carry on with your vague feelings and prove that you are a true Bhutanese who but loved the ugly bakhu.
    Some of the comments I read above make my ears burn.

  33. I exactly knew that you would write this Mr Harka. Let me give you an example. If you say you are good and brilliant in politics that doesn’t necessarily make me bad- in the same way if i have written few good things about Nepal that doesn’t mean I am talking bad about Bhutan, and when I say Bhutan has given us contempt and hardship that is a fact not resentment. You fled Bhutan, and Nepal gave you a place to hide your head, yet you have bad feelings towards it- stop being two faced- you would have been long gone if Nepal hadn’t accepted you and the only reason is -you speak Nepali which is proudly your mother tongue. I don’t hesitate to say that I am a Nepali by origin and Bhutanese by nationality- your ethnic origin is your ultimate identity because that is what you are known by not by wearing the ugliest dress of the world and proclaiming to be an expert on Bhutanese politics. Few years down the line you will be an American citizen (of course if you are in America) – will u then say you are American or Bhutanese or Nepali? By the way learn this – the word ‘Nepali’ isn’t only nationality, it also means the language and the clan
    I have a funny feeling that you are still in Nepal – well just guessing from the way you have asked people to contribute dollars in your pocket! Keep dreaming. When people contribute money why wouldn’t Bhutan have options – can you be bit more transparent please?
    I don’t want to be included on your list because you have a few cards shy of a full deck and if people like you are going back to Bhutan I don’t want to be in your lot – that is clear and simple. Oh what is the contribution limit you have set please….?

  34. Harke Jee
    I understand your optimisim on Bhutanese politics and I apprieciate your political vision on a dollar contribution by hundred thousands resetelled people.Political leader should think how calves are affected during bulls’ fight.And lately, realize that how these calves grow up to their full strength to help their strengthless bulls to recover their lost strength.In addition to this,Political scapegoats are now free from the grip of the insane leaders in this modern era.In the past,Political scapegoats were sold sometime in New Delhi,Geneva,DC or every international conference to pay insane leaders personal cause.Had any Bhutanse leaders contributed anything to make things better in the past.Like Narad Adhikari shamelessly resettling in USA? What is our roadmap here after?

  35. Dear Sbshangrilla,

    First of all it is always akward working with the people having alias name. Your fake identity itself is a great evident that you rarely believe in reliality. Moreover, the comment that you posted have mostly emerged from full of negativism as you have quoted everyone you mentioned with all the mistakes thinking yourself bearing a wiser wisdom.

    Whom do you refer to the term Bhutanese, if you have not got the correct definition of it. As you quoted to Mr. Deepak Adhikari, saying “the country that gave you shelter” what do you mean by this?

    How can you say that your motherland/birthplace gives shelter when you are the birth citizen there? The birth citizen enjoys all the basic fundamental human rights that the nation has to guarantee.

    And the national language you talked about Dzongkha. What is the population of Bhutan who speak Dzongkha as their first language at home? If all the people inside Bhutan are allowed to vote or participate in the referrendum, who knows what will be the fate of the Dzongkha language then.

  36. ‘What is in a name to which you call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet’ I am sure you are familiar with this sentence Susil ji. Great leaders have worked with millions of people without actually knowing them and yet sky was their limit. More than my name its my opinion that you should focus on. Having said that, you have actually supported my points, You might have misunderstood it – read it again, I haven’t supported Dzongkha. Let me make it simple for you. The country that gave you shelter – I was referring to Nepal. Would you mind if I say read it twice before you rush to deduce its meaning?

    Beliving in reality is understanding what you say, read and see around. Can I ask you to take back what you have said above or be implicated?

  37. Mr. Shangrilla,

    You would not dare to write this much if you write with your real. The thing is that the person disguised himself with the false identity must have something hidden behind your writings. Are you still on a way to fool people to follow and listen your opinion you mean? Or are you working somewhere with your underground name as quoted because you compared yourself with the great leaders imposing their opinions.

  38. Well, people like you can be easily fooled Susil because you don’t get even the feeblest gist of what is written, keep aside the whole text. Make sure you know what you are writing; at least you can check the spelling of some key words to make the meanings clear. I am neither a politician nor have I compared myself with great leaders -I would say you need to come out of your tunnel vision to glance and reflect on your own understanding – I respect views – can’t stand misapprehending a simple text.

  39. Just wearing Kho by a single person in a group probably doesn’t signify the cultures of Bhutan if he is asked to speak the National langauge of Druk perhape he cannot and should have the through knowledge of past and current affairs of Bhutan.During the Pro-democratic movements….southerners raised the voice against suppresssion of Human Rights fron RGOB.We are the same people that begged the RGOB not to implement the Driglam Namja( code of conducts) to Nepali speaking Bhutanese but unfortunately we are tortured to unlimited extends going against Tsawa Tsum (Three conducts) in many reasons by RGOB….why?????? one reason is not wearing the National dress of Bhutan that is kho (Bhukkhu ) and we Nepali Speaking Bhutanese were awarded as a Trade Mark of Anti-Nationalor Economic Immigrants.If you like to preserve or promote Bhutanese culture then here are my two requests( for one who is in kho)please conduct your forth comming any programs exclusively in pure Bhutanese langauge then only I will appreciate you by saying that you are a true son of Druk.Please don’t repeat same mistake of wearing Kho and kamne by indicating other friends as Ngologs.What you mean by wearing Kho in USA..Does it mean that resettled Nepali speaking Bhutanese have to wear kira and kho with kamne? I need your specific answer or as says by Harka Bahadur Subba You have to response Jigme Bahadur’ concern.

  40. I guess if u had respected and accepted ur national dress earlier…than today you would not ve been there, but here in bhutan, as bhutanese.
    Glad that you ve learnt ur lesson and avoid doing that in future.

  41. Dear fellow Bhutanese friends

    Being here in the US,this is a big opportunity for all of us to enhance our thinking and strategies, in terms of what so ever the point of discussions is. Let’s build up a culture of identifying the good parts rather than just pushing on each other.

    Anyway, it is good to hear that fellow friends got a chance to participate in such a big conference.

  42. Neeruman jee, “if he is asked to speak the National langauge of Druk perhape he cannot” Unless you don’t know Kumar Gurung, you can’t dare to say this statement. You can’t condamn unheard. Take it as a lesson Niruman jee.

    Harka

  43. Resettlement is not only the solution to this problem. Did any of our Refugee Leaders who attended the Refugee Congress share about those hundreds of refugees still languishing in the camps in the hope of repatriation? Are our leaders doing something- putting pressure to the US Government to advocate the voice of the refugees in the camps. Or is Refugee Congress organized only for the purpose of sharing about the difficulties they and the resettled refugees are facing? Or is it organized just to find a solution to the problems of the resettled refugees. If no one has yet started then I think we got to take up the challenge to start voicing. Can anyone clear me about my doubt and I will be enlightened about this.

    Thanks a lot
    Kumar